It's not true for me. I'm glad I'm one of the rare NF females that doesn't need to be saved by an NT male's quick non-feelings.
I need someone to at least try to understand me, not to ...hit me with a stick all the time.
I get told my feelings are invalid all the time and I'm just good and goddamn sick of it so someone waltzing in and going "quitcherbitching" without even trying to see where I'm coming from would just enrage me. Must I continue to pay for being an NF?
I think I'm pretty good at realizing my own rut and getting out of it as much as I can. I don't need saving.
I don't think it's about "saving." It's about perspective.
It's actually great if someone can both tolerate the fact that you're being emotional, but give you solid advice on how to actually DEAL with what you're upset about. I need the space to express, but getting caught up in being emo and expressing isn't healthy if it's a long-term thing. There's a time for getting it out, and I really, really appreciate it when ....mainly mature INFJs and NTJs ime, not NTPs
as much, but there is one INTP I can think of right off hand...*EDIT: I actually know a very helpful, understanding ENTP female, but she uses a great deal of mature Fe, and you were specifically talking about NT males, which is why I forgot.* can sort of help me to sort things out
productively. It helps me so much. It helps to not feel like I'm drowning. My tert Te likes being gently (or sometimes not as gently, but still tolerantly and firmly) pushed toward HOW DO I FUCKING FIX THIS THING I'M UPSET ABOUT???!!!
It makes me feel safer. I don't think that's weak. I agree with LL that it's more of a symbiotic thing...
Because I think NTs need us to help them out and understand them too, sometimes, just in a different way. They need things from us that sometimes they realize they're getting, and at other times they appear to take for granted, but oh well. We can help them just as much as they help us.
Now, waltzing in and literally saying "quitcherbitching" bugs me, which is why I've pointed out already that the smiley face convo that skylights posted reminded me of talking to an ENTP vs. an INTJ. I've experienced a lot less helpful kinds of "quitcherbitching" in the past from them, and it's really just counter-productive and pisses me off more.
Its like I need to be pushed or straightened out without officially having been told to shut up or that I'm being stupid. Who wants to hear that? I remember one incident where I was having a meltdown about something, and I have an ENTJ friend and he was really calm about it, I didn't feel him outwardly judging me, but at the same time he was like "well don't let this upset you too much, and here's why, and deal with this by x,y,z, and I've been in this situation before, and I find this is most effective." And then he made me laugh about it.
That's great.
Also, I've had an INTJ help me to make a decision when I was being all emo, because his advice was given in such a calm, reasonable way. Basically like okay, here's some options for you. Here's things you can do. Here's what I did in a similar situation. Very simple, but VERY HELPFUL.