Qre:us
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I have no idea if these are common ENTP issues, these are common to me, and another ENTP (Aramis) with whom I had this discussion with regarding some of these issues. Feel free to share your thoughts, vehement disagreements and/or platitudes...
1. Procrastination
Why it happens?
Some reasonings:
- Because there are so many interesting things to do and see that limiting oneself to one thing of focus, makes it feel as if there's other amazing and amusing stuff I may be missing out on.
- Needing to tip the stimulation-threshold. Biggest motivation: chaos. As such, if a situation is not inherently chaotic to begin with, it doesn't seem important enough to put in effort to tackle...just yet. So, letting it go unattended, letting the situation turn into a mountain from a molehill makes it feel like, finally, NOW it's a challenge. Let's get to work. Do or die. Can I make it? Can I? Can I? Ohhh....let's see. And, then, slipping right through the crack at the last minute, heart palpitating, adrenaline rushing, coming out the other side, triumphant. It's a high, and thus, part of an addictive cycle.
- Leading with Ne: it gathers, and gathers and still finds more and more stuff that could be relevant, so it gathers some more. The gathering is really a process of amalgamating the BIG PICTURE. As the whole is greater than the sum of its parts - in being able to understand the whole - the parts seem negligible for understanding (as long as the BIG PICTURE has sunk in, if I zoom in on a part, Ti can easily justify why that part is included in the BIG PICTURE). And, understanding the BIG PICTURE often feels like an all or nothing thing. In that, there's no slow dawning of understanding. It just *clicks* that one time. So again, time, and slowly, methodically learning a material seems unnecessary and not worth the effort, if my mind doesn't naturally work like that in the first place.
2. Detesting ROUTINE
It makes me want to pull my hair out, because it feels claustrophobic and like Ne can't breathe, like it's deliberately being suffocated, chained and caged. As I said to Aramis, who agreed, "I detest that I detest routine." It's a vicious cycle.
3. FUNK != FUN
At the root of it, again, is motivation. I can go into bouts of funkdom, where the world just feels "bleh". This I consider the lows that Ne hits, where it seemingly hits an imaginary brick wall of its own making, and refuses to move beyond it. And, I often find myself seeing me from a 3rd perspective, an outsider watching myself, often frustrated and disgusted with my own self, and my inability to move out of the funk. I often admire and resent my friends' ability at self-discipline in this regard, forcing themselves to do it because it HAS to get done.
However, no amount of pep-talk, self ass-kicking, can motivate me into momentum. It's hedonistic in its nature, in that it has to "WANT" (as long as it is in the realm of HAVE TO, that shit isn't moving, it has to transfer to a WANT)......otherwise, an army could try, and I wouldn't move out of the funk. Something, some way of looking at the situation has to tickle the "want" aspect of my psyche, and then, the tenacious pitbull of focus will come out to get 'er done. Until then, though...........
4. My motto in life: E.F.F.O.R.T
Everything that I do or are propelled into action to do, usually boils down to, "Is it worth the effort?"
This is why, I may often find short-cuts to do something. When I was younger, I would shoot for the optimal, in that if 100% existed, it was either I make an effort because that 100% is mine, or I won't do it in the first place. However, after seeing that with effort, I can [answer found to my question of "Can I do it?"], that motivation also passed, and now it's more about figuring out the least amount of effort needed to not face any real consequences and still "make it".
5. Life Tarries not with yesterday
I have to make a conscious effort to self-reflect and focus on the past. While doing so, it feels quite frustrating because I get a feeling of brain-itch like it's annoying to look back, and it gets boring really, really fast, such that my concentration flies away. If a lesson is to be learned from something, I usually learn it when the magnitude of the consequence hits me, and after that, I don't really see a point of revisiting old memories as it seems like a revisionist's task, which fudges accuracy. And, at the end of the day, you can't do shit while wasting time thinking of "what could have been" [<- I find such thoughts quite annoying]. What it boils down to is, Either I did it, or I didn't, there's no "almost doing it".....move the fuck on already.
[however, if I am in the "funk" stage, this type of past-thinking is on repeat - I find that it's my way of self-flaggelation as I'm angry at myself for my funk.]
6. Including/considering input from others in the final decision-making process
I am very resistant to interference into perceived problems of mine's without asking for direct input. Juvenilely, this will prompt me to do the exact opposite of what the other person suggests or ignore them completely. And, one problem area of mine's is that, I might not opt for "talking it out" when it comes to a problem between myself and another, given that the issue, as perceived by me, has already been addressed between self and the other, at least a few times beforehand, without seeing any change in them [i.e., repeat of previous times]. Then, whatever decision I make, I do not give the other a fair chance to have a say [e.g., ending a relationship] - I will have reached my decision all by myself, and execute it to completion, as by then, "input" is too late. I am very resistant to making a decision, until I feel that the moment cannot go without a decision, and once that moment is reached, everything is shut out. I'm very stubborn in my decisiveness. Appealing to my emotions will be a very hard task, at that stage.
7. Arrogance/Annoyance
It's a cycle.
See this exchange for reference:
8. One-upmanship/Competitiveness
9. Fleeting/Flightiness of perceived attention/affection for others
10. Inability to look at self from a 1st-person perspective
11. Do you mean what you say?
12. Apparent walking/talking contradictions
13. Feeling limited by limits
[more to come....]
1. Procrastination
Why it happens?
Some reasonings:
- Because there are so many interesting things to do and see that limiting oneself to one thing of focus, makes it feel as if there's other amazing and amusing stuff I may be missing out on.
- Needing to tip the stimulation-threshold. Biggest motivation: chaos. As such, if a situation is not inherently chaotic to begin with, it doesn't seem important enough to put in effort to tackle...just yet. So, letting it go unattended, letting the situation turn into a mountain from a molehill makes it feel like, finally, NOW it's a challenge. Let's get to work. Do or die. Can I make it? Can I? Can I? Ohhh....let's see. And, then, slipping right through the crack at the last minute, heart palpitating, adrenaline rushing, coming out the other side, triumphant. It's a high, and thus, part of an addictive cycle.
- Leading with Ne: it gathers, and gathers and still finds more and more stuff that could be relevant, so it gathers some more. The gathering is really a process of amalgamating the BIG PICTURE. As the whole is greater than the sum of its parts - in being able to understand the whole - the parts seem negligible for understanding (as long as the BIG PICTURE has sunk in, if I zoom in on a part, Ti can easily justify why that part is included in the BIG PICTURE). And, understanding the BIG PICTURE often feels like an all or nothing thing. In that, there's no slow dawning of understanding. It just *clicks* that one time. So again, time, and slowly, methodically learning a material seems unnecessary and not worth the effort, if my mind doesn't naturally work like that in the first place.
2. Detesting ROUTINE
It makes me want to pull my hair out, because it feels claustrophobic and like Ne can't breathe, like it's deliberately being suffocated, chained and caged. As I said to Aramis, who agreed, "I detest that I detest routine." It's a vicious cycle.
3. FUNK != FUN
At the root of it, again, is motivation. I can go into bouts of funkdom, where the world just feels "bleh". This I consider the lows that Ne hits, where it seemingly hits an imaginary brick wall of its own making, and refuses to move beyond it. And, I often find myself seeing me from a 3rd perspective, an outsider watching myself, often frustrated and disgusted with my own self, and my inability to move out of the funk. I often admire and resent my friends' ability at self-discipline in this regard, forcing themselves to do it because it HAS to get done.
However, no amount of pep-talk, self ass-kicking, can motivate me into momentum. It's hedonistic in its nature, in that it has to "WANT" (as long as it is in the realm of HAVE TO, that shit isn't moving, it has to transfer to a WANT)......otherwise, an army could try, and I wouldn't move out of the funk. Something, some way of looking at the situation has to tickle the "want" aspect of my psyche, and then, the tenacious pitbull of focus will come out to get 'er done. Until then, though...........
4. My motto in life: E.F.F.O.R.T
Everything that I do or are propelled into action to do, usually boils down to, "Is it worth the effort?"
This is why, I may often find short-cuts to do something. When I was younger, I would shoot for the optimal, in that if 100% existed, it was either I make an effort because that 100% is mine, or I won't do it in the first place. However, after seeing that with effort, I can [answer found to my question of "Can I do it?"], that motivation also passed, and now it's more about figuring out the least amount of effort needed to not face any real consequences and still "make it".
5. Life Tarries not with yesterday
I have to make a conscious effort to self-reflect and focus on the past. While doing so, it feels quite frustrating because I get a feeling of brain-itch like it's annoying to look back, and it gets boring really, really fast, such that my concentration flies away. If a lesson is to be learned from something, I usually learn it when the magnitude of the consequence hits me, and after that, I don't really see a point of revisiting old memories as it seems like a revisionist's task, which fudges accuracy. And, at the end of the day, you can't do shit while wasting time thinking of "what could have been" [<- I find such thoughts quite annoying]. What it boils down to is, Either I did it, or I didn't, there's no "almost doing it".....move the fuck on already.
[however, if I am in the "funk" stage, this type of past-thinking is on repeat - I find that it's my way of self-flaggelation as I'm angry at myself for my funk.]
6. Including/considering input from others in the final decision-making process
I am very resistant to interference into perceived problems of mine's without asking for direct input. Juvenilely, this will prompt me to do the exact opposite of what the other person suggests or ignore them completely. And, one problem area of mine's is that, I might not opt for "talking it out" when it comes to a problem between myself and another, given that the issue, as perceived by me, has already been addressed between self and the other, at least a few times beforehand, without seeing any change in them [i.e., repeat of previous times]. Then, whatever decision I make, I do not give the other a fair chance to have a say [e.g., ending a relationship] - I will have reached my decision all by myself, and execute it to completion, as by then, "input" is too late. I am very resistant to making a decision, until I feel that the moment cannot go without a decision, and once that moment is reached, everything is shut out. I'm very stubborn in my decisiveness. Appealing to my emotions will be a very hard task, at that stage.
7. Arrogance/Annoyance
It's a cycle.
See this exchange for reference:
Which brings up another issue: people often cannot understand our sarcastic, self-mockery, and confuse it for arrogance.
True dat.
ETA: Actually that assumption of arrogance or conceit annoys me quite a lot.
YES! One character trait that really, really, really bothers the fuck out of me, is arrogance/pretentiousness. :steam:
If ever I am arrogant, it's because I'm consciously putting on that act - usually to make a point to someone who has annoyed me for some reason that I'd likely classify under "douchebag" or "righteous ignoramous".
8. One-upmanship/Competitiveness
9. Fleeting/Flightiness of perceived attention/affection for others
10. Inability to look at self from a 1st-person perspective
11. Do you mean what you say?
12. Apparent walking/talking contradictions
13. Feeling limited by limits
[more to come....]
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