reckful
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Unfortunately, I can only find chapter 8 online, and Psychological Types seems surprisingly hard for me to come by. Nevertheless, I find your reasoning hard to follow.
You seem to be arguing that the auxiliary function changes orientation as it becomes more conscious (and note that Jung states that this is a "relatively unconscious" function), and thus the intuition becomes introverted, so the intuition of an INTP is really introverted intuition. This cannot be reconciled with your earlier insinuation that INTPs are Ni dominants, since what you speak of refers to the attitude of an auxiliary function, and the method you used to claim that INTPs have introverted intution was regarding intuiton as an axuillary function. This implies that Thinking is the dominant function.
Answer this: Would an Introverted Thinker be display the same standards of rationality towards the object, or the external world as an Extraverted Thinker? The only chapter from Jung on this I have been able to read suggests that this would not be the case. Apparently, everything else Jung wrote is in contradiction to the one chapter where he tried to actually articulate this, but I basically have to take your word for it since this book is really hard to find in its entirety.
Jung referred to introversion as the "conscious attitude" of an introvert — and yes, virtually everyone agrees (because Jung was quite explicit about it) that Jung believed that the second function of an introvert would be extraverted (just like the third and fourth functions) so long as it remained unconscious. But, to the extent that it was differentiated and brought up into consciousness — and Jung thought it was typical for the second function to end up mostly conscious — I and (as Myers acknowledged) the vast majority of Jung scholars believe that Jung thought the auxiliary function would also take on the introvert's "conscious attitude."
And, as I also explained, and consistent with that majority view, I believe Jung would have said that an introvert who displays the personality characteristics that get you typed P on the official MBTI was a Pi-dom, rather than a Ji-dom whose "P" characteristics reflected an extraverted auxiliary perceiving function. So, faced with a person who would have typed as INTP on the official MBTI, I think Jung would have said that person was an Ni-dom with a Ti auxiliary.
As for your last question, the attitude of the auxiliary really has nothing to do with what Jung viewed as the differences between introverted thinking and extraverted thinking, and there's nothing in the other chapters of Psychological Types that's fundamentally inconsistent with Jung's descriptions of those two functions in Chapter X. As you may know, and as further discussed in this PerC post, Jung described a Te-dom's thinking as "concretistic," and hence overly tied down by the "facts" and "objective data" at the expense of abstract "interpretation" of the facts. And conversely, and as further described in this PerC post, Jung described Ti-doms as being highly abstract thinkers who, as a result, were prone to be overly dismissive of the facts.