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It depends on what the component of sadness is. Anyhow, I think the first and second images are just creepy.
^Agreed! I don't embrace joyfully swinging around dead people. How that's associated with NFP, I have no clue.
I think sadness is very beautiful, which is why I love tragedies, and most of my favourite stories and such don't have a happy ending (or at least ones with a relatively happy ending after lots of strife and misery). Sadness in real life is beautiful too, though the difference is we can do something about it, unlike in works of fiction.
I hate horror, gore and such things, though. o_o Not the fictional kind - I find myself laughing at movies like The Grudge, and most forms of horror in fiction is honestly quite laughable and not scary at all (because I can't disassociate it with it being fictional), but the real kind. Films with the Holocaust as its subject, for example? Yeah, I can't really handle those.
So I guess you could say it depends on the kind of sadness; the sadness of two lovers when dying, that's beautiful. The misery of the people who lived (and/or survived) the Holocaust, that's not beautiful, that's horrible.
I think the use of the word "beautiful" is confusing people about how others can find beauty in pain and suffering. Beauty does not have to be pleasant. Beauty can be ugly and unpleasant.
No. It really can't.
I think people are confusing "being moved" with finding something beautiful. Beauty moves us, but so do other things, many of them not at all beautiful. To suggest that images of the Holocaust are in any way beautiful is seriously fucked up.
There are tears of joy as well as of sorrow. Tears are just the body's way of releasing strong emotion - quite literally expelling the chemical byproducts of said emotion.
I sometimes think that it is people who have not really suffered much personal tragedy or horror who romanticise/delight in the suffering of others in artistic works. A kind of vicarious way of mining the depths of human emotion. I read recently that the heart has to fall in love once just to understand its emotional limits - the parameters of its being. People who have experienced true horror are not titillated by the simulated kind. Ask a Holocaust survivor what they think of pictures of emaciated mounds of bodies and I guarantee the last thing they say will be "Beautiful".
I find it pretty arrogant to assume that just because you are of another opinion when it comes to beauty etc. that other people just didn't suffer any noteworthy and therefore respectable sadness in life. Ok, chances are here is no one who had to survive the Holocaust, but is that really the standard about that we are talking when we talk about sadness? The Holocaust?
Of course, the beauty there could be in the ability of the Jewish people and other survivors to withstand the worst calamity in their history and persist through even the worst of human suffering.
It's all about perspective.
I find it pretty arrogant to assume that just because you are of another opinion when it comes to beauty etc. that other people just didn't suffer any noteworthy and therefore respectable sadness in life.
That's not what I said. It's just a pattern I've noticed. It makes sense to me. I haven't seen any other explanations that do, so I'm sticking with it until someone comes up with one.I find it pretty arrogant to assume that just because you are of another opinion when it comes to beauty etc. that other people just didn't suffer any noteworthy and therefore respectable sadness in life. Ok, chances are here is no one who had to survive the Holocaust, but is that really the standard about that we are talking when we talk about sadness? The Holocaust?
Then it's not in the sadness, it's in the triumph - no great surprises that people find the triumph of the human spirit a beautiful thing.Of course, the beauty there could be in the ability of the Jewish people and other survivors to withstand the worst calamity in their history and persist through even the worst of human suffering.
It's all about perspective.
That's not what I said. It's just a pattern I've noticed. It makes sense to me. I haven't seen any other explanations that do, so I'm sticking with it until someone comes up with one.
Then it's not in the sadness, it's in the triumph - no great surprises that people find the triumph of the human spirit a beautiful thing.
When one starts saying stuff like "beauty can be ugly" it might sound profound but in reality it's completely meaningless.
There can be beauty in sadness but it's not exclusive.
Some things are just too sad to find beautiful and you (or rather I) have to turn away...like the child forced into prostitution and forcibily given drugs so that they become dependant, i can't find that beautiful.
But much art can be beautiful which is an expression of sadness made into something beautiful. One of my favourite songs is "these arms of mine" and it is very beautiful to me.
I also often find tradegy, and unrequited love expressed in a romantic way quite beautiful and moving. Gone with the wind being a classic example.