Athenian200
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II've noticed recently that many people do direct comparisons and conversions of their types in these systems. For instance, many people think that they can simply go by functional order, and assume that an MBTI INFJ would be the same as a Socionic INFp (IEI). However, what they don't understand is that Socionic functions are different from MBTI functions. Is this:
So, Socionics Fe is related to the ability to perceive and react to emotions themselves, while MBTI Fe is related to being aware of a set of rules that allows one to respond to emotions in an appropriate way. Do you see the difference?
My point is, Socionic functions cannot be correlated directly to MBTI functions, and so your type in one system would not necessarily be related to your type in the other. Hence, they are two separate systems, not one and the same, despite being derived from the same Jungian theories.
The same as this:socionics.us said:Extraverted Ethics
Perceives information about processes taking place in objects — first of all, emotional processes that are taking place in people, their excitation or subduedness, and their moods. This perceptual element implies the ability to know what excites people, and what suppresses them. It defines a person's ability or inability to control his emotional state, and also the emotional states of other people.
When this element is in the leading position, the individual has the innate ability to induce or convey his moods to others and energize people with his emotions. He is able to activate the psychological/spiritual lives of other people and their emotional readiness for action. You might say that such a person has the ability to infect others with his moods and tends to impose on others the emotional states that he considers beneficial for their life activities.
What people usually call emotions or a person's display of emotions is neither more nor less than a form of letting out this internal excitation directly, almost without expending it in muscle activity. A cheerful person who laughs releases an emotional charge and inner excitation through certain movements of the muscles of the face and body. This might be a means for reducing overexcitement, when inner exertion cannot be used for the activity it was intended for. But it can also be a conscious method of conveying one's excitement/agitation to others — inducing one's internal excitement/agitation in the psyches of other people. Anger, for example, is also a way of reducing overexcitement, but it is usually directed not at arousing others emotionally, but at emotionally suppressing and depleting them, at lowering their activity level, or at strictly channeling their activity.
cognitiveprocesses.com said:Extraverted Feeling
The process of extraverted Feeling often involves a desire to connect with (or disconnect from) others and is often evidenced by expressions of warmth (or displeasure) and self-disclosure. The “social graces,” such as being polite, being nice, being friendly, being considerate, and being appropriate, often revolve around the process of extraverted Feeling. Keeping in touch, laughing at jokes when others laugh, and trying to get people to act kindly to each other also involve extraverted Feeling. Using this process, we respond according to expressed or even unexpressed wants and needs of others. We may ask people what they want or need or self-disclose to prompt them to talk more about themselves. This often sparks conversation and lets us know more about them so we can better adjust our behavior to them. Often with this process, we feel pulled to be responsible and take care of others’ feelings, sometimes to the point of not separating our feelings from theirs. We may recognize and adhere to shared values, feelings, and social norms to get along.
So, Socionics Fe is related to the ability to perceive and react to emotions themselves, while MBTI Fe is related to being aware of a set of rules that allows one to respond to emotions in an appropriate way. Do you see the difference?
My point is, Socionic functions cannot be correlated directly to MBTI functions, and so your type in one system would not necessarily be related to your type in the other. Hence, they are two separate systems, not one and the same, despite being derived from the same Jungian theories.