Now, I daresay, this is exactly what OrangeAppled was looking for in response from INFJ's. Say yes, say no, point / counter-point.
Pretty much. It didn't really become "personal". It stayed general & in the realm of theory. That's where I hoped this would stay. I hoped I'd get a theoretical breakdown of how remorse plays out in an INFJ.
Mane's contribution made it take a different turn (such as adding the word "remorse", which I still thank him for; no, I see no manipulative villain in him either...rather, he has helped restore good faith). My last post was pretty much meant to be my exit post, in terms of discussing the actual topic. I thought it was clear that I sought no more & was satisfied with what I had gleaned. I didn't expect anyone to start giving lengthy personal remorse stories after that. As I said above, I thought it would stay in a sort of impersonal, analysis realm where we'd talk about concepts, not pour our hearts out. But I thank those who did and hope the process was beneficial in some way for you as well.
I can see my motivations are going to continue to be vilified though, even by those who claim they accepted my real intent. No honest communication can occur if that's the case. It seems like there was some honest communication there for a moment though, and again, I thank those who contributed.
If you find OA's approach comparable to Tilty's ie you find that her list is just a short-hand for calling INFJ's "blood sucking, mind-fucking, emotionally deaf and dumb, clueless, neurotic, noodly-headed biatches" then I guess I'll concede that point.
There's an obvious difference. It only has to be explained if people insist on making everything black & white, in which case, they don't really want to understand the difference. These detractors don't have anything to do with the core discussion though. They can't contribute nor take away.
Also, let's review the thread title:
"INFPs, what do INFJs do that drives you nuts?". My initial post was answering that question, which was solicited by an INFJ. The first few paragraphs were certainly wry, and I don't see the difference between it and INFP fluffy bunny
half-jokes, or ESTJ micro-manager
half-jokes, etc. I didn't think INFJs were above a razz, and of course there is some real irritation there (see the thread topic again). The list was reposted out of laziness to rewrite those irritations, but with a genuine desire to discuss these patterns I saw & get some real understanding. But I've explained my motives soooo many times now.... and no one is able to successfully pin any other on me short of creating a strawman, conveniently leaving out details which don't align with their dismissal. I truly think many have not even read all of my posts in full, nor followed the core discussion.
Personally, Tilty's post is the sort of thing that's a minor blip on my radar. If it was actually witty, then maybe I'd laugh. Maybe if it was connected to theory & seeking understanding, then it would catch my attention. I won't be losing sleep over it or any of the other detractors' comments; that's for sure. I will say that
in spite of it, I have shaken the pattern for INFJs like an etch a sketch and hit the reset on my benefit of the doubt.
That's my summary of the thread.