Kheledon
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- Oct 5, 2015
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- MBTI Type
- ENFJ
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- sx/sp
ESTP's, ime, don't perceive me and my strangeness so singularly, but look more at whatever situation I'm in and advise me on how to improve that, which I find helpful. It is really great sometimes to let an ESTP analyze my life, but it isn't all broken and everything doesn't need to be fixed. They're also condescending too.
That's very interesting. I think I have accurately typed about 27 people that I have known personally for over two years, but I have yet to identify and type an ESTp (SLE, Beta). It's one of only three Sociotypes of whom I know no members--the other two being ISFp (SEI, Alpha) and, of course, my dual, ISTj (LSI, Beta). I'll have to be on the lookout for the behavior you describe to see whether I actually know any ESTps. My strategy is to type specific people I know very well and then look for similarities. If I know someone who's definitely an ENFp (EII, Delta), then it's easier to identify others of that Sociotype by asking, "Is X person more like the ENFps I know or more like the ENFjs I know?" Ultimately, I appreciate your providing a perception and description of ESTp that will help me identify one in the future.
In the end, I prefer types that share more functions with me than less. They are less tedious and laborious.
That's what I am finding. Most of the people I know are Ns, for example. I tend to be much closer to Fs. The problem is that, in the context of a romantic relationship, two Fs can really stink at problem-solving. Even the simplest of problems can be a challenge for two Fs. Typical example in which the problem is where the couple wants to go out to eat:
F1: Where do you want to go?
F2: I don't know. Where do you want to go?
F1: I don't really care. What sounds good to you?
F2: Nothing sounds particularly appealing at the moment.
F1: Well, we've got to eat somewhere. We're both starving.
F2: Well, just choose some place then. It doesn't matter to me.
F1: I chose last time. It's your turn.
F2: Did you? I thought I chose last time. We had Chinese, remember?
F1: Are you sure? I thought I chose the Chinese.
F2: Oh. Yes. You're right. That was your choice. Hmmm ...
F1: (sigh) So, where do you want to go?
Etc. And this kind of discussion can continue for quite some time with two Fs. When it comes to more serious problems that need solving, it can be even harder for two Fs to make a decision, not because they disagree, usually, but rather because they both intuitively know that they stink at T, so they'd rather defer to their partner. Theoretically, duality cures this problem, but it makes me wonder how well an identity relationship would work. I suspect the pair would need to clearly define and split up T duties. The Fjs would, in any event. No clue what the Fps might do.