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Ne-Ti: "Absurdities are cool!"
so sad that there are people who don't see that
Ne-Ti: "Absurdities are cool!"
I try to detect their F functions -- if I sense underlying Fe, but it's a T individual, then I come to the conclusion that they use Ti.
Some Ti-doms can actually exhibit something that looks a lot like Fi, and I've wondered if Te-doms can also exhibit something akin to Fe. I've lived with Ti-doms for 20 years now, and one had no Fi, but just a little Fe mostly that humored him. The other has something akin to Fi, but he is absolutely a Ti-dom.I try to detect their F functions -- if I sense underlying Fe, but it's a T individual, then I come to the conclusion that they use Ti.
I try to detect their F functions -- if I sense underlying Fe, but it's a T individual, then I come to the conclusion that they use Ti.
Are you implying that Ti-users are more empathetic than Te-users?
I register the presence of Tertiary and Inferior Fe in Thinkers as an effort on their part to be a little more harmonious, to smooth the rough edges, to be a little less gruff or abrupt.
the easiest way for me (TP) to spot a TJ is to first notice the commonality - someone with an equal tension towards cognitive dissonance (anything that doesn't make sense), but instead of exploring the matter until it starts make sense, they make active plans to eradicate it from their lives.
maybe the reverse can work for you?
Well... most INTP I know are absolutely devoid of Fe and will do nothing to improve that. They are like this, and like a rock they will never change.
While for the ENTP... well... at least for me Fe comes not as a conscious effort, but rather as an instinct. It's like being aware of what is going on around you, of what people are ruminating in their heads. So sometimes, you try to relieve them of their burdens, to lighten up their days. Playing the clown, smiling, cracking a joke or helping an old lady crossing the street is not a conscious effort: it's effortless.
It's also why, despite the appearance and the show, I also think a lot of ENTP are in fact genuinely selfless people, probably because they sense more than many how absurd and tragic the fate of the average modern man is, and expect no reward when they help people. Perhaps INTP are also selfless, but unfortunately most of them don't act or like to interact with people.
And unlike Fi users, they don't try to find any real meaning to this comedy that life really is, and won't pester you with annoying things like religion or morality.
Not exactly. It's more like there's a distinct flavor to Te/Fi that to me feels like a strange blend of hard and soft. Fe/Ti or Ti/Fe is a bit 'harmonious'.Are you implying that Ti-users are more empathetic than Te-users?
While for the ENTP... well... at least for me Fe comes not as a conscious effort, but rather as an instinct. It's like being aware of what is going on around you, of what people are ruminating in their heads. So sometimes, you try to relieve them of their burdens, to lighten up their days. Playing the clown, smiling, cracking a joke or helping an old lady crossing the street is not a conscious effort: it's effortless.
It's also why, despite the appearance and the show, I also think a lot of ENTP are in fact genuinely selfless people, probably because they sense more than many how absurd and tragic the fate of the average modern man is, and expect no reward when they help people. Perhaps INTP are also selfless, but unfortunately most of them don't act or like to interact with people.
And unlike Fi users, they don't try to find any real meaning to this comedy that life really is, and won't pester you with annoying things like religion or morality.
I think IXTJs can be nitpickers too though.
I think I can usually pick Ti out from someone's explanation of something, particularly if they go deep enough where there's lots of text to sample. Ti users seem to have these really locked down personal positions on systems, but also have a really hard time translating these positions into words, to the point of their own frustration. It's a lot like Fi in this way. If you have a look at Jung's writings about type for example, it's incredibly dense and detailed, but there's a clear sense (at least to me) that this is something he understands really intimately without being able to fully convey in words. So he gets really wordy, but seems to feel compelled to add detail and even backpedal on some of it. I'll be thinking, "OK Carl, I get it, you're good. Let it go."
Another red flag for me with Ti doms in particular is trouble understanding Fi... and vice versa, as well. Again with Jung, if you read his description of the introverted feeling type, you may get the same impression I did: that he doesn't understand Fi at all.
Right or left brain alternatives. Unconscious as functional perspectives, but can manifest in behavior.Some Ti-doms can actually exhibit something that looks a lot like Fi, and I've wondered if Te-doms can also exhibit something akin to Fe.
Some Ti-doms can actually exhibit something that looks a lot like Fi, and I've wondered if Te-doms can also exhibit something akin to Fe. I've lived with Ti-doms for 20 years now, and one had no Fi, but just a little Fe mostly that humored him. The other has something akin to Fi, but he is absolutely a Ti-dom.
My impression is that Obama is a ENTJ who has that Fe aspect which is part of his interaction with the outside world.I think so. I'm one of those Fi-ish Ti-doms (it's only shiny tinfoil...scrape it and well...). I wonder if Ti-doms that are like this have learned to not cling to logical frameworks so damn tight? Stop treating it like a life raft. I know I've worked hard at being more open-minded and appreciating the paradox of easing up on precise definitions, logic...blah, blah, blah so that I can gain a better understanding of what is going on. Anyway...
My ESTJ definitely looks like he's got Fe turned on. He comes across as being warm, friendly, and engaging in a big way. But he's definitely a Te-dom despite appearances. My ENTJ sister on the other hand...no way.
My impression is that Obama is a ENTJ who has that Fe aspect which is part of his interaction with the outside world.
Perhaps bad example, but I can't seem to think of many Te-doms right now.I'm sorry, Te is really NOT his primary. If it is, he's one of the worst Te-primes I've ever seen in politics; he's much more sit back, observe, measured, approach things carefully and cautiously, and has typically had people misjudge his morality and motivations because he is not Te-prime.
I think I can usually pick Ti out from someone's explanation of something, particularly if they go deep enough where there's lots of text to sample. Ti users seem to have these really locked down personal positions on systems, but also have a really hard time translating these positions into words, to the point of their own frustration. It's a lot like Fi in this way. If you have a look at Jung's writings about type for example, it's incredibly dense and detailed, but there's a clear sense (at least to me) that this is something he understands really intimately without being able to fully convey in words. So he gets really wordy, but seems to feel compelled to add detail and even backpedal on some of it. I'll be thinking, "OK Carl, I get it, you're good. Let it go."