#1)They do not deal with objective logic, it is subjective to themselves
#2)Needy, without being reciprocated
Ok, I'm done
No more ESTP hate'n
I didn't quote your other posts but you are just being plain bitter towards a type for no good reason now. What I said DOES apply to any healthy ESTP and most are far from needy people.
Are you sure this friend is not ESTJ? Desire to control you and constantly tell you what's best for you sounds awfully J to me.
I would have to agree with you, from what I've heard described about this friend it sounds much more like an ESTJ to me. I can not relate to a lot of what has been said so it does sound a lot more like my ESTJ father than myself.
Thanks for the advice on 'selling'.
It was a metaphor.
Pal will ask me to do X, I'll (cordially) pass, pal will persist and persist in the most annoying manner possible and will be even be a little aggressive (in a 'friendly' and 'humourous' manner) till I rather rudely shut him out or give in.
Pal will tell me what to do, how and when to do it and he knows what's best for me.
With my housemate, the only time he respected my space was for a few days when I got as aggressive in my communication as he was and he seemed to respect that.
Anyone else smell ESTJ?
Sorry, but its true... I can relate to a lot of this only because it sounds like you are describing my father and I assure you, he annoys me.
I know you seem hellbent convinced that this is ESTP behavior but I suggest you read some more descriptions.
The most controlling thing I've personally done is probably give someone reasonable advice... which is hardly controlling.
My ESTJ father on the other hand cannot stand things not to be the way they "should" be.
I can also relate in the fact that he makes stupid jokes that are not funny that usually come back to him wanting you to do something.
In a living situation the ESTP is likely to be a bit on the messy disorganized carefree side. While they like to "do" things as in... practical application... they usually need what they deem to be a "good" reason for doing the task. Often ESTPs are likely to be the kind to hire people to clean their house!
I'm constantly searching for the "easier" way to do something. If there is a faster and better way than ill do it.
On the other hand a ESTJ hates this behavior. They want closure and will do WHATEVER it takes to get it done even if it does not end up being the best way.