Seymour
Vaguely Precise
- Joined
- Sep 22, 2009
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- MBTI Type
- INFP
- Enneagram
- 5w4
- Instinctual Variant
- sx/so
@bold 1: Sorry this isn't clear to me; Fi sees what as "selling out"?
I suspect Fidelia is saying that Fe works towards the best socially workable/practical solution... and is more tolerant of compromise to get there. Fi tends to be more absolute, and less tolerant of the social structures that get in the way of implementation of principles. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Fidelia!)
@bold 2: This sounds a little presumptive that the Fe outcome is the best possible outcome. That's a pretty subjective viewpoint.
I suspect she just meant the best of outcomes given the social systems. Fe leans towards seeing those systems as tools and means of expression, rather than merely impediments.
Maybe the friction point is not so much Fe vs Fi but Fe vs Te here. Te will strive for what it can realistically make happen as well ..... perhaps it's the manner of working toward the goal that's more the rub. Fe will work the people, not question the ideas so much; Fi will not question the people as much as they will seek the most practical idea.
I think both Fe and Te are practical, but just in different areas. Fe wields "soft power"—social structures and relationships—to convince and motivate. Te focuses more on explicit authority and the real world mechanics to get things done. Both Te and Fe tend to form networks of like-minded folks who reinforce the system (in their respective realms). So, it makes sense to me that Te-users are not going to directly challenge the explicit authority structures (but, with balance, see it as a tool for implementing Fi values) and Fe-users are not going to directly rip apart the social structure (but, with balance, instead see it as a way of implementing Ti-based improvements).
So, when an Fi-user speaks up something he or she sees as wrong with the group, it can feel like an attack on what is making change possible (from an Fe perspective). That may come across as disloyalty, when the Fi-user sees it more as being true to the values the group claims to represent.