9w8s are a lot more easygoing than 9w1s. In some ways they`re also more numbed, whereas 9w1 seem to be upset a lot of the time. An Eight-wing expresses itself in direct angry eruptions from time to time, though most of the time they`re fine with going along or they leave unpleasant situations. 9w1s have a harder time of letting go.That's a good description, I like it, what makes it 9w8 over 1 though?
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That`s not solely a Five thing. The need to recharge their energy is true of all introverts.
It`s actually double-edged. Fours have an excessive pride in feeling different from others, but there`s also a feeling of being defect and not normal. Which of these feelings predominates depends from Four to Four. Having such an deep-ingrained pride of feeling different, there`s naturally a fear of not being different at all. Of being normal and boring.
Marcy, please tell me something about the humor of Eights. How do they express their funny side?
Got him!
I am actually both. I cannot live a life as an extrovert as it is too draining for me to deal with people all the time. I will suffocate if I do not have some time alone in my inner world to recharge myself.
Ironically, if I introspect for too long, I will have my soul staying in my inner world while having my shell dealing with the outer world and other practical matters. It will take a while or may even be a long time before I can integrate again.
However, if I introspect too deeply, I will also be killing myself...I get too exhausted and have no energy left to deal with anything else.
I find it interesting...
A Five thinks I am a Five.
A Four thinks I am a Four.
A Five thinks I am not a Four.
A Four thinks I am not a Five.
How about a type which is between 4 and 5 but not a 4 with a 5 wing or a 5 with a 4 wing, say Type 4.5 (not a 4 and not a 5)?
The recharging needed was not from exposure to the world or other people...but from finding introspecting deeply too taxing. That isn't 4.
You should see both parts...the pride/elitism and the defectiveness. I'm not sensing the 4ish pride/elitism. The last thing they should do is cancel out each other.
From what I know of the type 8 they have morbid sense of humor.
I find it interesting...
A Five thinks I am a Five.
A Four thinks I am a Four.
A Five thinks I am not a Four.
A Four thinks I am not a Five.
Do you see your sister as a 4w5? How do you see her?My sister who self-typed herself as 4w5 said most Fours like cats and are right-brain dominant. I don't think it was a joke. She really believed it herself. She thought I was too logical (only from her point of view as she was super-subjective in my opinion) so I must be a left-brain type.
There`s a difference between referring to something because you have thought it through and it fits with your experiences or referring to something because someone or a tests just told you. I don`t think Marcy suggested treating the R&H book as your new enneagram bible and wanted you to linger on every line.Being self-referential is also a Five characteristics as well? What exactly is "self-referential" referring to? I am a bit confused here...how can anyone not be referring to anything else other than themselves?
Talking about reading a book somewhere is still referring to the book, referring to an idea in a thread suggested by someone in a forum is still referring to someone's idea, telling others your personality test results is still referring to the test.
You mentioned you read somewhere about NF being about the "box", is this not "self-referential"? Marcy suggested someone to read the R&H book and referred to a thread about 5w4 and 6w5, is this not "self-referential"? I do not mean to attack anyone, just curious...
Oh I think she has pride and elitism...but it's more of a pride and elitism in being competent, smart, and "cool" than the 4w5ish pride in "paying the price for staying true to themselves"...or the 4w3ish aristocrat pride. She weeps about she is different and how the 4 description really hits her emotionally...but she takes pride in being above avg in math and computing and being good at school stuff...being smart basically...little hints like...I didn't study as much as people think I did and when I did it was at the last minute...I declined the honor roll invitation...the 8 factorial thing with the number of function combinations...little things like that.
Being self-referential is also a Five characteristics as well? What exactly is "self-referential" referring to? I am a bit confused here...how can anyone not be referring to anything else other than themselves?
Yes, that`s why I`m considering 4w3. Not sure if she has the 4w3ish pride. With Fives it`s not so much a pride in doing well in school as in knowing a lot about a special subject. I know a 5w4 with quite some threeish flavor, but Lovelost feels very different compared with him. Also this 5w4 has an eightish feel, which I can`t sense in Lostlove`s posts. Can you?
I agree, but like I wrote Fives are not so much interested in doing well in school nor do they normally tell how smart they are, rather than showing their knowledge. It`s more threeish first to tell of your achievements which includes being smart and competent.I think 5s pride themselves in having a powerful mind...of which being smart and competent is a reflection of.
I hardly sense any 8ness in lostlove either...but a lot of 5s don't have 8ness in them. Sometimes I think the 5 line to 8 listed in the books was put in there to boost 5 self-esteem(4s and 5s probably buy a disproportionate number of enneagram books).
Marcy, I`m interested in your opinion of this man. What do you think his type is?
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