Alea_iacta_est
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Socionis INTj is MBTI INTP?
Yes.
Socionis INTj is MBTI INTP?
It'd be stressful. But in the right company, I guess I could make it. It is what it is.
And there is our wondrous Ti dominant. If you would care to, please entertain us with your finely tuned definition of Ne.
There is a reason Jung said Ne-doms seemed to be "bound by throngs of fate", a stone cast. Exactly contrary to your assertion, they are far closer in tune with a singular existence than multiple existences, they are "bound" by the intuitions they perceive, placing utmost importance on them.
You can even see the escalation of importance by turning over the foundations that function theory rest on: sense is the contact of objects, thought defines objects, feeling values objects, intuition "perceives from whence an object came and to where it is going", or put simply - idealization of objects.
This is why Jung typed the greatest divergent thinker of all time, 'the man who knew nothing' Socrates, a sense-dom. He repressed man's intuitions to the extreme in favor of a near-infinite scope of plausibility, giving rise one of the most effective critical thinking tools of all time.
So you would propose that the extroverted intuitive is a person who is inclined to be intertwined with something like fate? A singular path, with detours where only one path may be chosen eventually and carefully? Because if so, that seems fairly accurate.
The whole "I AM AWESOME" is a stereotype, not all ENTP's are going to be like that. It can be a bit challenging, but one has to try and ignore the stereotypes. Most will fit most of them, but not everyone .
Hmm... that's somewhat inconclusive to me.
This is what I'm thinking: My initial reaction is ENFJ, but unless someone backs me up (which is doubtful), I don't want to state that with conviction. Thus it's best for me to let it go. ENTP seems fair (I thought about it more), and I generally would defer to [MENTION=20385]Alea_iacta_est[/MENTION], as he is quite good at typing people, and I am average at best. His interpretations hold more weight IMO. I say try ENTP on for size for a while, and see how things pan out .
So you would propose that the extroverted intuitive is a person who is inclined to be intertwined with something like fate? A singular path, with detours where only one path may be chosen eventually and carefully? Because if so, that seems fairly accurate.
Perhaps there was a communication error with my utilization of "entertaining multiple possibilities" that could be interpreted as attempting several possibilities at once, when I actually meant that the extroverted intuitive entertains multiple possibilities in their head (considers different perspectives rather than physically attempting several things at once).
Something like fate, in a sense that extraverted intuitive types latch strongly onto perceived ideals. Yes.
The second part I don't know how to answer. I don't believe I would agree with the carefully part, it seems like it would be a highly irrational (look, Jung planned for that) process.
Something like fate, in a sense that extraverted intuitive types latch strongly onto perceived ideals. Yes.
The second part I don't know how to answer. I don't believe I would agree with the carefully part, it seems like it would be a highly irrational (look, Jung planned for that) process.
Perhaps there was a communication error with my utilization of "entertaining multiple possibilities" that could be interpreted as attempting several possibilities at once, when I actually meant that the extroverted intuitive entertains multiple possibilities in their head (considers different perspectives rather than physically attempting several things at once).
But that's the thing - it is about exploiting possibility, not simply about "pondering them".
This might be where Jung and modern interpretation differ - Jung's speculations being far greater in terms of value.
At the above - how do we know you've typed him correctly? It's like referencing a book I wrote to justify my own assertions.
At the above - how do we know you've typed him correctly? It's like referencing a book I wrote to justify my own assertions.
Well yes, extroverted perception is often given the archetype of the entrepreneur, finding profit in every possibility and exploiting possibilities, but what I am primarily elucidating is possibility selection, which would encompass the Ne-Ji mechanism as a whole. In this mechanism, extroverted intuition generates several different possibilities to solve a problem, and the Ji function refines those possibilities and carefully analyzes them to determine the optimum route based on what makes ethical or logical sense, essentially simulating the opposite attitude, introverted intuition, with possibility convergence rather than possibility expansion.
As a purely functional model of operation, yes.
But presuming one with the ability to simply conjure possibility as an Ne type would preclude every other type that is not an extraverted intuitor as having a sort of inferior sort of form for generating ideas, which clearly is not the case, given the fact that thinking doms regularly express these traits and Jung typed Socrates a sense-dom (I don't know where to fit in you feelers, though I'm sure you're there).
So, what is extraverted intuition if not the ability to entertain multiple possibilities given one set of data? It is the incessant drive to produce within from without, the way flames consume all which burns.
BTW, do you think the SLOAN test has any real correlation to MBTI? I just took one and is scarilly accurate.
My "guess" is ISTP... Your enneagram typing doesn't align with this MBTI type though I guess...
Also, while people associate Enneagram 8 with extroverted thinking and extroverted sensing, the traditional Enneagram 8 was associated with extroverted intuition (I think Naranjo detailed this?).
There is a reason Jung said Ne-doms seemed to be "bound by throngs of fate", a stone cast. Exactly contrary to your assertion, they are far closer in tune with a singular existence than multiple existences, they are "bound" by the intuitions they perceive, placing utmost importance on them.
You can even see the escalation of importance by turning over the foundations that function theory rest on: sense is the contact of objects, thought defines objects, feeling values objects, intuition "perceives from whence an object came and to where it is going", or put simply - idealization of objects.
This is why Jung typed the greatest divergent thinker of all time, 'the man who knew nothing' Socrates, a sense-dom. He repressed man's intuitions to the extreme in favor of a near-infinite scope of plausibility, giving rise one of the most effective critical thinking tools of all time.
Something like fate, in a sense that extraverted intuitive types latch strongly onto perceived ideals. Yes.
Naranjo associated 8 with Se.
It's Enneagram Institute (Riso/Hudson) that associates it with Ne.
why can't ISTP be 8?
But "leaps of judgement" is what Ni is really about...
Don't hate Ni-ers when they do that... Try asking them questions for clarification... Thru that, Ni-ers can reverse engineer their conclusions...and identify whether they hold water or not...