Zarathustra
Let Go Of Your Team
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If ya want, I'm willing to hammer out a less detailed system for general reference
Please do.
My Te doesn't have the patience to even read that monster.
If ya want, I'm willing to hammer out a less detailed system for general reference
Please do.
My Te doesn't have the patience to even read that monster.
....was this more digestable?
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Ummm... could you just make some bullet points as to how to accomplish the desired result?
3) if practical: hide impatience and frustration, show them step by step how you'd address the problem, walking her trhough even the glaringly obvious shit
4) if emotional: ask questions as to why she feels that way and listen. Let her rant, and answer her own questions by doing so. Reassure that she's not evil or a failure and that it's ok to feel this way, and she'll get there eventually
Ok, two questions:
Why are you guys so bad at this that even the glaringly obvious shit needs to be pointed out?
And, honestly, I'm not asking this to be nasty; I'm just trying to understand it fully from your point of view.
Ok, but what if she is evil or a failure?
I mean, seriously, what if it's just plain wrong what she's doing/feeling?
Grin. I think you'd reconsider that statement if you knew how truly dark I'm willing to acknowledge people are. The thing is, it doesn't scare me. Or make me uncomfortable. To me, it' kind of like handling a wild animal: use caution. I'm not going to blame the animal for being wild in the first place, it is who it is, and therefore beautiful in its own right....that however doesn't mean I will let it take a chunk out of me coz I don't see its potential for carnage. And if I am stupid enough to actually get bitten, I'll take full responsibility, as I knew what I was getting myself into. I aint about to blame the animal.
If an animal has a history of biting people, I have no problem with swift punishment. People must be held accountable for things they do repeatably. I have no problem with trying to play the "I feel your pain" game with the offender, but I'm also not going to let my sympathy for their plight endanger me or anyone else I care about.
And what will your punishment accomplish? Or is it your idea to teach it even more distrust of people, to make it more aggressive and fearful? If the animal has a history of biting people, wear gloves, or don't approach it. Simple. And frankly, if you or any of those who you care for it go near it and actually are stupid enough to make it bite them as they don't respect its boundaries, then I'd say you get what you have coming.
Self-defense is one thing, if it's between you or the animal. As is initiated aggression without a way to avoid the attack or being able to talk it down. But even then it should only be to protect yourself, not to harm the animal, imo.
The same is true for humans. You have no idea what they went through to become the way they did. Until you make it a point to find out, you have no grounds for judging it. Or its actions. Nor do you have to find out, but then navigate its territory with care, not with hostility.
Ehhm, how is any of this related to Wind-Up Rex's sister?
This might be material for a thread of it's own, if you want to continue the discussion...
Ehhm, how is any of this related to Wind-Up Rex's sister?
This might be material for a thread of it's own, if you want to continue the discussion...
Agreed, i was just thinking that..though Rex has been intrigued in the difference in thinking between NFPs and NTJs before, so not sure
Not sure how much say the OP gets in these things buuut...
Things did start to get a bit off track after post #88, but what the hell? We're all friends here. It's not exactly urgent that anything be moved.
Aren't you getting a degree of some sort in Philosophy?
What better way to overcome the irrationality of the Passions (emotion) than the guiding light of Reason?
Also, just a side note (since you mentioned the enneagram): what you stated about NFPs sounded a lot like an enneagram 4.
Emotional problems require emotional answers, it's really that simple.
An artist who lacks an empirical understanding of his tools and medium will have trouble expressing his artistic visions. A scientist who has no intuitive feel for his subject of study will miss those anomalous observations that lead to new understandings. It is not apples and oranges but apples and broccoli: fruits and vegetables, and we need both.Emotional problems require emotional answers, it's really that simple. We really aren't projecting anything dude, you've said time after time that she needs a harsh dose of reality. Telling her straight up is simply not going to change anything. Once again, I find it odd that you call our approaches 'irrational'. I don't think you can accept the existence of questions outside the realm of logic. I mean don't get me wrong, the answer needs to solve something and be reasonable, but rationality in your pure Te eyes is not the desired approach here. It's like a scientist trying to carry out an empirical experiment to create a great work of art.