the state i am in
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- Feb 12, 2009
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- MBTI Type
- infj
- Enneagram
- 5w4
- Instinctual Variant
- sx/sp
5w4 mastering the idea of the self (building a model of the world with the highest real estate devoted to advancing a model of the self)
4w5 finding my own place in the world (figuring out what feels like me and knowing how the worlds i am interested in living in work? being well-prepared, having mastered the game so i can always find my own unique twist?)
i don't understand the shift from e4 to the 5 wing that well. the models you build fit into the larger space/awareness of finding your own place? so you model the aesthetic spaces that matter to you? areas in which you are interested in presenting yourself, dwelling within, etc?
which is why 4w5 types have such great taste in music?
it's a weird inversion for me. i go to similar things to discover the self, and make my ultimate self template. which is not me but a composite of all things i learn, an endless number of maps, submaps, etc within a larger map.
i feel like 4w5 types go to those spaces because they know they belong (more than other spaces, but not all the way). then they figure out everything about those spaces, find a way to make their mark, and then move on to something else because they realize the space and the social world surrounding it still are not them all the way. they are still not complete. it's like e4 needs to find a way to justify itself and its own existence to itself, and is looking for the space where it can recognize its own value (by w5 being a master of it or w3 achieiving worldly success within it?)?
4w5 finding my own place in the world (figuring out what feels like me and knowing how the worlds i am interested in living in work? being well-prepared, having mastered the game so i can always find my own unique twist?)
i don't understand the shift from e4 to the 5 wing that well. the models you build fit into the larger space/awareness of finding your own place? so you model the aesthetic spaces that matter to you? areas in which you are interested in presenting yourself, dwelling within, etc?
which is why 4w5 types have such great taste in music?
it's a weird inversion for me. i go to similar things to discover the self, and make my ultimate self template. which is not me but a composite of all things i learn, an endless number of maps, submaps, etc within a larger map.
i feel like 4w5 types go to those spaces because they know they belong (more than other spaces, but not all the way). then they figure out everything about those spaces, find a way to make their mark, and then move on to something else because they realize the space and the social world surrounding it still are not them all the way. they are still not complete. it's like e4 needs to find a way to justify itself and its own existence to itself, and is looking for the space where it can recognize its own value (by w5 being a master of it or w3 achieiving worldly success within it?)?