Jaguar
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You mean there must be good reasoning behind the feelings before they're worthy of consideration?
think my Dad is a T (ISTJ I think) he is inappropriate and offensive all the time but when he should be offensive (when being pestered by telemarketers etc.) all of a sudden he is Mr Politeness, what's the deal with that?
My feelings matter to me; I just don't expect them to lay claim to the rest of the world.
teslashock said:There's nothing wrong with a little induction.
Bullshit.
You mean there must be good reasoning behind the feelings before they're worthy of consideration?
I think my Dad is a T (ISTJ I think) he is inappropriate and offensive all the time but when he should be offensive (when being pestered by telemarketers etc.) all of a sudden he is Mr Politeness, what's the deal with that?
BBNB said:I don't discount my feelings, but I usually don't think they're enough to justify any major decision.
Feelings do matter! Only...
1) I feel (yes, feel) my feelings aren't important enough to annoy other people with them. I won't pour out my heart to you, because when I feel bad that's my problem and not yours. Unless I know you very well and want your help with analyzing my feelings. You'll be welcome if you want my help. That way, the bad feelings will get out of the way and won't annoy more people.
Good feelings, on the other hand, will be expressed easily!
It depends on the person and the specific type (Ti vs Te is different), as well as age / maturity level / life experience / whatever else, and the feelings being examined.
ISTJs act appropriately within the given social constraints.
You're a bit vague on what situations your dad is inappropriate/offensive in, but in regards to telemarketers, the social situation is, well, social, with strangers, and hence he takes on an appropriate stance and a more formal one... if he's ISTJ.
T's naturally detach from feelings when they evaluate a situation in order to pass a judgment. They see feelings as "white noise." More mature T's will use them as signals to describe, well, personal values, and if they believe the situation calls for those personal values to be included in the decision, then they will... but the decision is generally a conscious one and chosen. (For example, getting mad at something someone did is evaluated, the anger is seen as a logical consequence of being violated, and so the T might rationally decide to not invest any more in a particular relationship because they were violated... but it's a rational thinking process being used to reach the conclusion.)
F's are far more likely to include feelings in a decision, to whatever degree those personal feelings align with personal values and the values are far more instinctive instead of rationalized.
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Thinkers have feelings too; we're just much more reasonable about putting them in context and not selfishly expecting the entire world to bend to our will just because we feel a certain way.
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Thinkers are definitely more reasonable when it comes to their feelings, but are they really less selfish? Hmm. I'm not so sure of that. Maybe it's just that Thinkers and Feelers are selfish in different ways, for different reasons.
Like, a Thinker might be selfish because they have deduced that it is the rational thing to do. Take Ayn Rand for example. Okay, finished laughing yet? But seriously...
Thinkers are selfish when it comes to violations of their logical principles, but that's not quite the same thing.
Sure it is. Thinkers can be very selfish, rude, inconsiderate...that's selfish, dude.
People are selfish. It's our nature.
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hmmmm.... I'd rather eat a large live snake than talk about my feelings...