Idle question.

[Kephalos]

Anne and Bob are brother and sister, and upon their uncle's death they receive $100 to split among themselves. Anne must decide how much of that $100 she wants and propose Bob to take the rest. Bob can either accept or reject Anne's proposal: if the accepts then the split is made, and if he rejects it they both receive nothing. If you were Anne what would you choose?

Someone asked me this question today and I didn't know what to make of it. There are many possibilities that would be acceptable to both. He told me that people usually take more than $50, which is a plausible outcome, but not the only one. Anne could certainly take $99.99 and the Schadenfreude, leave Bob a penny, and Bob would take it. Could Anne take the whole $100? If Anne takes the $100 then Bob gets nothing either way. I'm still mulling over that one. Anyway, what would you do if you were Anne?

 

[pure_mercury]

Anne and Bob are brother and sister, and upon their uncle's death they receive $100 to split among themselves. Anne must decide how much of that $100 she wants and propose Bob to take the rest. Bob can either accept or reject Anne's proposal: if the accepts then the split is made, and if he rejects it they both receive nothing. If you were Anne what would you choose?

Someone asked me this question today and I didn't know what to make of it. There are many possibilities that would be acceptable to both. He told me that people usually take more than $50, which is a plausible outcome, but not the only one. Anne could certainly take $99.99 and the Schadenfreude, leave Bob a penny, and Bob would take it. Could Anne take the whole $100? If Anne takes the $100 then Bob gets nothing either way. I'm still mulling over that one. Anyway, what would you do if you were Anne?

You should accept whatever is offered, obviously, but humans have this instinct to make sure a split is "fair," even when accepting significantly less would actually benefit themselves. It's irrational, but it probably evolved from the ancient tribal days when resources were scarce and overt inequality would cause an intramural fissure.

 

[Mort Belfry]

If it was a sibling I'd probably take fifty, but it were with a stranger probably more.

That said if my brother offered me anything below forty, I'd decline. Fuck him.


And thank god you put in that quote, pure mercury, otherwise I wouldn't know to whose post you were replying.

 

[matmos]

$1

This is a variant of The Dollar Auction:

Dollar auction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To be specific: Ultimatum game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Night]

Moved from Fluff Zone

(Thanks, bananatrombones)

 

[matmos]

Thanks, Night.

The problem with the question is that Anne & Bob are brother sister; ergo in any transaction between the two money would be secondary.

Fairness would be the issue. Only when the two agents are anon would meaningful results be produced. Evidently it is a cultural issue as to how low an offer can be before refusal. Any refusal between such agents is perplexing, because there is no tangible advantage to refusing even an offer of one cent. The dynamic becomes "punishing" the other agent - equally perplexing if he/she is anon.

Asside: apparently Israelis will go very low before refusal; sorry but I can't name the source.

I propose we kill off Bob & Anne and replace them with Carol & Sue. Two total strangers.



Personally, I'd settle for $20. Don't ask me why because I don't know.

 

[INTJMom]

Anne and Bob are brother and sister, and upon their uncle's death they receive $100 to split among themselves. Anne must decide how much of that $100 she wants and propose Bob to take the rest. Bob can either accept or reject Anne's proposal: if the accepts then the split is made, and if he rejects it they both receive nothing. If you were Anne what would you choose?

Someone asked me this question today and I didn't know what to make of it. There are many possibilities that would be acceptable to both. He told me that people usually take more than $50, which is a plausible outcome, but not the only one. Anne could certainly take $99.99 and the Schadenfreude, leave Bob a penny, and Bob would take it. Could Anne take the whole $100? If Anne takes the $100 then Bob gets nothing either way. I'm still mulling over that one. Anyway, what would you do if you were Anne?

It would never occur to me to split it any other way but 50-50.

 

[Nocapszy]

Any refusal between such agents is perplexing, because there is no tangible advantage to refusing even an offer of one cent.

Sure there is.
Counter Attack - Wikipedia.
It's more satisfying to screw the guy screwing you than to take the penny.

Easier on the ego to put them at your mercy than to be at theirs.

 

[The Outsider]

It would never occur to me to split it any other way but 50-50.

I agree.

 

[matmos]

Sure there is.
Counter Attack - Wikipedia.
It's more satisfying to screw the guy screwing you than to take the penny.

Easier on the ego to put them at your mercy than to be at theirs.

This seems to be at the core of refused offers: the other guy is interpreted as screwing the agent; in fact he's not he's playing a game - the essence of which is to maximise the payoff.

The possibility of a counter-offensive is negated by the valueless payoffs on offer to both players for non-cooperation.

The beauty of the game is exactly as you have described nocaps, people get butthurt and are likely to make irrational decisions. An the weak agent can use that to his considerable advantage.

So. Bananatromebones has just told you he will accept an offer of $20. Now you Know - and you'd be stupid to offer me any more. You might even try knocking off another $5 - worth a shot for a 85% payoff. What I should have said is, a la Nocaps - "I'm a crazy fucker, if you don't give me $50, not a cent less, on my old mother's grave, you will get nothing".

Or when your crazy ex-wife says she wants $60 or $70 (fairness sucks) or she'll screw it up for you. You know she's not bluffing because she's done it already IRL - only the lawyers got the money and you both ended up worse.

Ego can get you into all sorts of trouble.

Nocaps is correct, of course. But for a tactic to be successful, the threat of a counteroffensive need not be rational. Only plausible.

All the best.

 

[FemMecha]

You should accept whatever is offered, obviously, but humans have this instinct to make sure a split is "fair," even when accepting significantly less would actually benefit themselves. It's irrational, but it probably evolved from the ancient tribal days when resources were scarce and overt inequality would cause an intramural fissure.

True. It would depend on how much sibling rivalry existed. If the rivalry was heated enough, then the fact Anne was given the power to make the call would require that she give Bob more than 50% or he would likely reject it (If he was in a bad mood for not being given the power to divide it). I think the majority of siblings would reject less than half because of the competition and the fact that the scenario begins with an unequal power balance. If it was a large sum of money, then you could probably give Bob less than half and he would accept it, but he would probably be snarky and mean to Anne for the rest of their lives. One common problem for people is the price they are willing to pay personally to express their anger or feelings of personal injustice.

 

[Lasting_Pain]

I would give all the money to Bob, money should not be more important than your family. Don't they realize their uncle just died.