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Totenkindly

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I suspect many groups outside the government have been downloading and saving alot of this content, some starting well before Trump took office. I am directly aware of the actions of a couple. Have you heard of any network or outlet where the information is being made available to the public?
I know some people were hoping things like the Internet Wayback Machine was capturing some of it, but I'm not sure it was getting it all.

I don't personally know any, but I am sure there are people out there trying to save as much as they can.
It's one reason they are able to do comparisons now between the sites 2 weeks ago and the current sites.

I don't really have sites where the info is readily available. Maybe Googling will find some.

Obviously the agency-internal stuff isn't accessible to public capture/storage. I know with all the complications, the responsible folks have can choose an "archive" function versus pure deletion for some things because agencies don't have resources to hand-edit everything, and there are always backups. So it wouldn't be lost forever.
 

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Still frozen.


There was a protest with a lot of MD Senators and reps today outside SSA HQ as well.
 

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I know some people were hoping things like the Internet Wayback Machine was capturing some of it, but I'm not sure it was getting it all.

I don't personally know any, but I am sure there are people out there trying to save as much as they can.
It's one reason they are able to do comparisons now between the sites 2 weeks ago and the current sites.

I don't really have sites where the info is readily available. Maybe Googling will find some.

Obviously the agency-internal stuff isn't accessible to public capture/storage. I know with all the complications, the responsible folks have can choose an "archive" function versus pure deletion for some things because agencies don't have resources to hand-edit everything, and there are always backups. So it wouldn't be lost forever.
I wouldn't rely on wayback longterm - too open to disruption by Musk's minions. The salvaging I know about started months ago, and is probably complete for the topics or sectors targeted. I hope some of the internal agency stuff is being backed up by employees, with or without permission and squirreled away for later restoration. As with wayback, I don't trust anything that remains on-site, or at least connected to the networks. I suppose it is good that we are not hearing about that part. Scrutiny would be dangerous.
 

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I feel like I'm watching Mr. Robot Season 5.


Anyway.... when will these folks learn they are fodder with the rest of us?

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I feel like I'm watching Mr. Robot Season 5.


Anyway.... when will these folks learn they are fodder with the rest of us?

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A typical dictator likes to promote from within the family. The notion appeals to their ego for keeping their legacy alive post mortem. I predict a rogue 3rd term if his health permits or Don Jr in 2028. We all know if orange Jesus endorses somebody the Republican primary will just be a formality. Baron looks good after that (probably will just be a succession by then, democracy will be long dead if this stuff isn't interrupted).
 

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Democracy, shmemocracy ... at least he made the price of eggs go down again! That's what matters.
 

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Dammit, i just had to file a report to Google maps -- for some crazy reason my screen was showing the "Gulf of America" instead of the "Gulf of Mexico" !
 

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Dammit, i just had to file a report to Google maps -- for some crazy reason my screen was showing the "Gulf of America" instead of the "Gulf of Mexico" !
Can you use a VPN client?

With my German IP address I get it shown as "Golf von Mexiko (Golf von Amerika)". A diplomatic solution, I guess.

Reminds me of French fries being called freedom fries due to France's opposition to the war on Iraq.
 

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Democracy, shmemocracy ... at least he made the price of eggs go down again! That's what matters.
We should be very wary if the price of eggs goes down suddenly or significantly. There is a perfect storm of rolled back regulations, purging of government agency leadership, driving away frontline career civil servants, and blocking public health agencies from disseminating information. This means eggs that should not be sold might get through because no inspectors are there to stop it, and we will not be informed if there is an outbreak.

Just one of many possible ways for people to die through the actions of these charlatans.
 

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Dammit, i just had to file a report to Google maps -- for some crazy reason my screen was showing the "Gulf of America" instead of the "Gulf of Mexico" !
Just checked, and my map program still shows Gulf of Mexico.
 

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Can you use a VPN client?

With my German IP address I get it shown as "Golf von Mexiko (Golf von Amerika)". A diplomatic solution, I guess.

Reminds me of French fries being called freedom fries due to France's opposition to the war on Iraq.
Well, I was being funny.
But I did report it, pretending I thought it was a mistake.
There's a wave of people reporting it. :D
VIVE LE RESISTANCE!

Yes, I'm in the united states and we are now seeing "The Gulf of America".
If you are not in the USA, you should still be seeing "The Gulf of Mexico."

I do have a VPN on my one laptop.
I will check it later today just to see what you're seeing and confirm that yes indeed they only changed it for USA folks.

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Yeah, i signed out and used my vpn to come from Germany. You get it with both.

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Just checked, and my map program still shows Gulf of Mexico.
Are you using Google Maps?

This was a Google thing, as they suck up to the Grand Orange Poobah.
 
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Yay! Now the administration will need to openly violate the court order!
Or back down.

It's so exciting. Sigh.
 

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We should be very wary if the price of eggs goes down suddenly or significantly. There is a perfect storm of rolled back regulations, purging of government agency leadership, driving away frontline career civil servants, and blocking public health agencies from disseminating information. This means eggs that should not be sold might get through because no inspectors are there to stop it, and we will not be informed if there is an outbreak.

Just one of many possible ways for people to die through the actions of these charlatans.
I am painfully aware of that. I was just being facetious.

Grocery prices have also increased significantly in my country over the last few years - without Biden being our president, go figure (a mixture of higher energy prices due to the war in Ukraine, bad harvests at least partially caused by climate change and good old fashioned corporate greed). However, they are still low by international comparison (retailers here have notoriously low margins).
 

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GSA Facing Massive Cuts & Fears of Non-Stop Surveillance

...Staffers have been told to expect deep job cuts among the agency's approximately 12,000 employees and the closure of many of its offices around the country, the sources said. Those employees who remain are being warned to expect their actions to be surveilled, from their swipes into government facilities to the keystrokes they type on their computers....

...The staffing decisions were communicated to some GSA staff during emergency meetings late last week. Staffers are refraining from communicating over email or internal messaging systems for fear of monitoring and retaliation, the GSA officials told NPR....

...Some of the job roles being targeted included communications, administrative support, stakeholder engagement, and interns. GSA employees were told IT roles would be "consolidated," said one of the GSA officials. "They're doing everything so fast, it's on purpose so you can't fight," the official continued. In the past, most federal civil servants couldn't be fired at will without cause or notice, though the Trump administration is challenging that precedent while unions and employees are pursuing legal challenges....

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For employees who remain in their jobs after the cuts and who do not take the Trump administration's deferred resignation offer to most federal workers — which is being legally challenged — conditions might be difficult.

Staff were told by their managers that their work will be closely monitored going forward, the GSA officials said.

"There are going to be no more carrots, only sticks," said one of the GSA officials.

Some employees were told that would include monitoring of when employees logged in and out of their devices, when employees swipe in and out of their workspaces and monitoring of all their work chats. They were also told that "keylogger" software that would keep track of everything the employees type on their work machines would be installed on their work computers, the GSA officials said.

Government-issued devices are subject to monitoring, but the people NPR spoke with said this level of surveillance would be a dramatic change from how GSA has operated in past administrations, both Republican and Democratic. The introduction of keylogging is particularly alarming to GSA staff working on sensitive technical projects, who worry it could compromise security.

"If you stay, they're going to restructure everything," said one of the GSA sources. It's like a "Soviet-style reporting system, Orwellian nonstop monitoring," they continued. "This is bananas..."

Yeah, so that is their play apparently. My heart goes out to GSA, I don't really work with them, but it hurts to see how they are being treated. This really is not about efficiency, it's about making the environment as untenable and cruel as possible to drive people out + only have a certain type of employee who will never ask questions, care enough about someone else to step out of line, and who is too afraid to do anything that could draw attention to themselves.

Right now (aside from the typical percentage of subpar employee you'll find in any org), in general the civil service seems more populated by talented people who are committed to their mission, yet also are capable of engaging and care about other people enough to listen and go the extra mile to help.

Instead they really just want to regularly terrify and monitor their employees like they were children to take away their volition and courage to think outside the box -- basically Camazotz the shit out of government service so that the only type of people that can thrive in that environment are machines who can't afford to care about anything other than staying within the rigid lines and producing whatever quantitative output is required. Note that some positions aren't even really able to broken down to keystroke tallies, where using your brain is concerned.

I'm still not quite sure whether they really think this is effective, whether they just enjoy the harm and fear they are inflicting on people who could previously afford to focus on their work because they weren't constantly terrified of management, or whether they just want to make the experience shitty enough to drive enough people away to close it all down and privatize it to their pals. "Make it hellish enough, and no one will WANT to stay."

No matter what happens, they've just undermined the civil service for years to come. No one trusts government or elections now, if you can be treated this way with a new administration. It's not stable. Who will want to chance taking a job there?
 
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Noticed the posts about eggs - do people here know the price sky rocketed because we are in a livestock H5N1 pandemic? Entire farms are being put down. People are waiting for hours at local farms and stores have had $10/dozen. 😞
Yup. That's what I'm seeing here in Baltimore, it's around $8.75/dozen here or $11.50-12 for 1.5 dozen.
The milk-carton'ed "egg substitute" still seems to be holding price, though.

Yeah, the pandemic thing is growing, and not as many people realize it because gov took down a lot of the public-facing information. I'm kind of slowly preparing for a full-blown incident and ready to go underground.

it would be really ironic if another pandemic occurred quickly on the current admin's watch -- and AGAIN right as he is trying to make everyone RTO. That's what happened in March 2020 too. Maybe it would be a good reminder of how dreary those days were.
 
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