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What do you guys think about Dean Philips ?
The Minnesota representative that is formally starting his own campaign to get the democratic nomination.
 

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What do you guys think about Dean Philips ?
The Minnesota representative that is formally starting his own campaign to get the democratic nomination.
I honestly had never heard of him or Mike Johnson until the last week. And I mention them both because they are people of my own age, I could have gone to high school with both of them age-wise.

Johnson's a douchebag and I hope his tenure/fame is short-lived.

Philips seems a decent enough guy and oddly enough well-liked enough that few fellow Dems seem to be dissing on him right now -- although their response seems to be that he's ruining his career by challenging Biden. Like, everyone is just expected to fall in rank-and-file behind Biden.

I kind of don't get that. Why is it wrong to present options in a primary? It's not like he's going to bring anything up that isn't already known. If Biden has any weaknesses, it's his own fault. If people don't want what Philips is offering, then they'll select Biden in the primary. I'm tired of all this clutching at political power and refusing to offer choices or consider alternatives and letting voters pick. I'm kinda curious to hear more from him, to make up my mind for myself.

 

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This is exactly why I asked. He seems as young, normal, likable, relatively competent, from mid-west that is swingy area, no known baggage. This is exactly who should run since this is probably "the reset candidate" that will start new era (what is desperately needed)
 
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I kind of don't get that. Why is it wrong to present options in a primary? It's not like he's going to bring anything up that isn't already known. If Biden has any weaknesses, it's his own fault. If people don't want what Philips is offering, then they'll select Biden in the primary. I'm tired of all this clutching at political power and refusing to offer choices or consider alternatives and letting voters pick.
I'm actually for Biden at this point, but I do have a lot of disgust about the way primaries are run and I'd like to reform them in many ways. I forgot about these closed-off incumbent primaries, but I'm for adding it to my all-important list of primary reforms.
 

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This is just 3 hours old.
Judge for yourself, that is all I will say.
He talks a lot without saying much. I got a kick out of how he wormed his way out of directly answering the question about what he would be doing different than Biden on the world stage and then pretended to be disgusted with how other candidates criticize the president's decisions because its "demeaning", and that's his excuse for not wanting to outline a substantive policy difference from Biden...obviously he wanted to duck the question and is just running on the fact that he's younger than Biden. That's an odd platform...."Vote for me because I'm 54!"
 
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I honestly had never heard of him or Mike Johnson until the last week. And I mention them both because they are people of my own age, I could have gone to high school with both of them age-wise.

Johnson's a douchebag and I hope his tenure/fame is short-lived.

Philips seems a decent enough guy and oddly enough well-liked enough that few fellow Dems seem to be dissing on him right now -- although their response seems to be that he's ruining his career by challenging Biden. Like, everyone is just expected to fall in rank-and-file behind Biden.

I kind of don't get that. Why is it wrong to present options in a primary? It's not like he's going to bring anything up that isn't already known. If Biden has any weaknesses, it's his own fault. If people don't want what Philips is offering, then they'll select Biden in the primary. I'm tired of all this clutching at political power and refusing to offer choices or consider alternatives and letting voters pick. I'm kinda curious to hear more from him, to make up my mind for myself.

Mike Johnson is an inexperienced Christian Nationalist. I would like to slap him repeatedly too. While I'm all for a president that is closer to my own age, I don't know much about this guy. Other than Steve Schmidt is running his campaign and we all know that the last campaign Steve Schmidt ran, well, it didn't go well. And the fetish centrist Dems have for Republican operatives in their campaigns just makes me less likely to take them seriously, let alone vote for them. But it's the primaries - I don't care who presents themselves. That's the entire point of a primary.
 

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I kind of don't get that. Why is it wrong to present options in a primary? It's not like he's going to bring anything up that isn't already known. If Biden has any weaknesses, it's his own fault. If people don't want what Philips is offering, then they'll select Biden in the primary. I'm tired of all this clutching at political power and refusing to offer choices or consider alternatives and letting voters pick. I'm kinda curious to hear more from him, to make up my mind for myself.
I agree. It certainly wasn't wrong to have 20 candidates in the last primary (maybe because there was no incumbent) but I certainly would want options. Biden is incompetent and unfit to lead IMO (and INTPs are notoriously intolerant of incompetence) so listening him stutter through teleprompter speeches drives me bonkers.

And per Phillips point, Biden is starting to lose in all the polls vs Trump. I think it is very important Trump is stopped, and the Dems bizarre loyalty to Biden is counter-productive to that aim.

Bernie might not be all that left to the world, but he is too left for Americans. I also don't believe there are not moderate Republican voters. If you gave them a centrist Democrat who will get the borders under control and be firm on crime, I think said candidate would kill Trump in a general election. I'm hoping Phillips positions himself that way and wins the nomination despite the Democrat machine working against him. Unlikely, but better than nothing.
 
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Bernie might not be all that left to the world, but he is too left for Americans. I also don't believe there are not moderate Republican voters. If you gave them a centrist Democrat who will get the borders under control and be firm on crime, I think said candidate would kill Trump in a general election. I'm hoping Phillips positions himself that way and wins the nomination despite the Democrat machine working against him. Unlikely, but better than nothing.
Moderate Republicans really turned out to the polls in spades to vote for Democrats in 2004 (with a candidate who positioned himself on tough on terror) and 2016 (with a candidate who positioned herself as more in line with traditional American norms and values).
 
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I agree. It certainly wasn't wrong to have 20 candidates in the last primary (maybe because there was no incumbent) but I certainly would want options. Biden is incompetent and unfit to lead IMO (and INTPs are notoriously intolerant of incompetence) so listening him stutter through teleprompter speeches drives me bonkers.

And per Phillips point, Biden is starting to lose in all the polls vs Trump. I think it is very important Trump is stopped, and the Dems bizarre loyalty to Biden is counter-productive to that aim.

Bernie might not be all that left to the world, but he is too left for Americans. I also don't believe there are not moderate Republican voters. If you gave them a centrist Democrat who will get the borders under control and be firm on crime, I think said candidate would kill Trump in a general election. I'm hoping Phillips positions himself that way and wins the nomination despite the Democrat machine working against him. Unlikely, but better than nothing.
There are moderate Republican voters. There are no moderate Republican politicians left in Congress and state level GOP have amped up the crazy so much their donors have fled. You have to see it to know how bad it is. I'm very familiar with Michigan state politics and the GOP here.

And this was from 2014


About that "firm on crime" thing. Let's look at one of the most popular right wing crime targets - San Francisco.

Progressive district attorney is elected in 2019. Almost immediately billionaire backed recall efforts started. Which were successful. They bought themselves a pro-cop, tough on crime, corporate lawyer with some prosecutorial misconduct issues. Crime skyrockets in SF. OMG how??

Instead of actually addressing the reasons for so much property crime and robberies, they'll do what other cities have done - lock up black and brown people, juveniles, immigrants, shit all over civil rights, bulldoze the homeless... That will fix everything I'm sure.

I have heard of one mayor of a large city actually attempting to do something correct (as possibly can be) for the homeless issues. One. And I'm certain there will be a billionaire nowhere near that city that will pay to get some degenerate Republican shoehorned in for the next election.

What Bernie policy is too left for Americans?

 
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The conventional wisdom that a moderate Democrat is needed to attract the necessary moderate Republican votes by supporting the War on Terror or the War on Crime or something like that, reminds me of the same conventional wisdom used to suggest Donald Trump would never make it to the White House. (Incredibly, I think the latter idea is still not quite dead) I guess I'd call it the "nation of moderates" theory (I think there's another term for it in political science), and it posits that voters will reject candidates who are too extreme in one direction or another. This may have held true at one time but I don't think this is the case any longer. The idea of a "nation of moderates" doesn't pass the sniff test, and it's already proven to be a partial failure.

This reflects something I find frustrating about the subject of politics, a lot of theories or notions about things that have a way of persisting past their sell-by date.
 
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The conventional wisdom that a moderate Democrat is needed to attract the necessary moderate Republican votes by supporting the War on Terror or the War on Crime or something like that, reminds me of the same conventional wisdom used to suggest Donald Trump would never make it to the White House. (Incredibly, I think the latter idea is still not quite dead) I guess I'd call it the "nation of moderates" theory (I think there's another term for it in political science), and it posits that voters will reject candidates who are too extreme in one direction or another. This may have held true at one time but I don't think this is the case any longer. The idea of a "nation of moderates" doesn't pass the sniff test, and it's already proven to be a partial failure.

This reflects something I find frustrating about the subject of politics, a lot of theories or notions about things that have a way of persisting past their sell-by date.
I always find it odd that something that's claimed to be the best political position, that the majority of people hold, needs to have so much out there to convince people that it's the best path.
 

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My god, Mike Johnson's wife practices therapy based on Hippocrates' four (modernized) five humors of temperament -- when will this depravity end?!

:ROFLMAO:

Oh great, fucking Tim LaHaye is involved in this.
 
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