Cold war 2.0

[DiscoBiscuit]

When two globally significant exporters of grains and fertilizer go to war.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Canadian foreign minister says West must ‘free Ukrainian wheat’


The idea isn't ultra new, however it seems this will be given a go. What is because there is no real alternative, the grain must be exported even if it is not through direct lines.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

The food issues should hit the middle east most significantly. The arab spring in 2010 came about because much less serious issues with Rus and Ukr crops.

 

[typologyenthusiast]

Check my post of non-allignment pact, a pact that don't want to join either Communism eastern bloc, and Capitalism western Bloc, during Cold War in random history thread.

Random history thread

Since it is generally overlooked that this sub-forum contains History as a topic subject while most of history doesn't generate large and round up threads I will open random history thread. Where all of it should just pile up. Therefore for the start here is something that I find worth...

www.typologycentral.com

 

[Red Herring]

Putin involved in war ‘at level of colonel or brigadier’, say western sources

This sound plausible in that it both fits with the personality of a despot and explains the surprisingly many rookie mistakes made by Russian troops so far.

 

[Virtual ghost]

 

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Ukraine’s frontline farmers battle to feed the world

 

[Virtual ghost]

Leo Varadkar: British war on Brexit protocol fuels support for Irish unity

The inevitability of a united Ireland

 

[Virtual ghost]

Russia takes first steps to withdraw from WTO, WHO

Russian soldier pleads guilty to killing Ukrainian civilian in first war crimes trial

Germany set to strip Gerhard Schröder of office space — but he can keep €8K allowance

 

[JAVO]

According to the official, the current NATO discussion is that the momentum has shifted significantly in favor of Ukraine and the debate within NATO circles is now over whether it is possible for Kyiv to retake Crimea and the Donbas territories seized by Russia and Russian-backed separatists, respectively, in 2014.

"I think they could [retake Crimea and the Donbas], yes," the official said. "Not now, not soon, but if they can keep up the fight I think so."

"I do question if they actually should fight to get their territory back," referencing a potential backlash by the local population in some of those areas.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-18-22/index.html

 

[JAVO]

Putin involved in war ‘at level of colonel or brigadier’, say western sources

This sound plausible in that it both fits with the personality of a despot and explains the surprisingly many rookie mistakes made by Russian troops so far.

This is hilarious.

I didn't think Putin would go to that extreme. I agree that it probably explains the many rookie mistakes. They're so extreme that I was starting to get suspicious that Russia was making them on purpose as part of a larger strategy.

 

[Virtual ghost]

This is hilarious.

I didn't think Putin would go to that extreme. I agree that it probably explains the many rookie mistakes. They're so extreme that I was starting to get suspicious that Russia was making them on purpose as part of a larger strategy.

To be honest I don't see it like that. What is mostly because the whole first world decided to put their weight behind the Ukraine. In my opinion that is right thing to do but we have to be honest here, we wouldn't be watching this movie without western arms, ammo and intel. The Russians aren't making that many mistakes as much they just can't get stuff done because Ukrainians know their every move and they have the means to deal with it. Without the Western aid all of this would probably be over in the matter of weeks.



Due to wages difference and similar mechanisms money doesn't always translate equally in the amount of military power. But there is still fact that

First world GDP: 54 Trillion $
Russian GDP: 1.4 Trillion $

And that is why we are watching what we are watching.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Ukraine: Zelenskyy warns population of a long war – live updates

EU unveils €300 billion plan to reduce its energy dependency on Russia

Chancellor Olaf Scholz tells German parliament 'Russia must not win this war'

 

[Virtual ghost]

Russo-Ukrainian War detailed map

The steelworks in Mariupol have fallen and that was expected. It is quite surprising that they hold this long.
But besides that the map is totally static. Ukraine holds.

 

[Red Herring]

To be honest I don't see it like that. What is mostly because the whole first world decided to put their weight behind the Ukraine. In my opinion that is right thing to do but we have to be honest here, we wouldn't be watching this movie without western arms, ammo and intel. The Russians aren't making that many mistakes as much they just can't get stuff done because Ukrainians know their every move and they have the means to deal with it. Without the Western aid all of this would probably be over in the matter of weeks.



Due to wages difference and similar mechanisms money doesn't always translate equally in the amount of military power. But there is still fact that

First world GDP: 54 Trillion $
Russian GDP: 1.4 Trillion $

And that is why we are watching what we are watching.

I think @JAVO and I were more referring to stuff like the repeated reports of Russian troops crossing bridges or entering village lined up like ducks which made them easier to take down. You also keep hearing that the Russian army is very hierarchical, everything has to happen upon orders from above, there is little freedom of decision on the ground (I remember my brother explaining the difference between a "Befehlsarmee" (army of orders) and an "Auftragsarmee" (army of missions), two different military leadership styles, back when he did his service year*).



* I just saw on Wikipedia that the German term "Auftragstaktik" (mission command) has made it into several languages as a technical term.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I think @JAVO and I were more referring to stuff like the repeated reports of Russian troops crossing bridges or entering village lined up like ducks which made them easier to take down. You also keep hearing that the Russian army is very hierarchical, everything has to happen upon orders from above, there is little freedom of decision on the ground (I remember my brother explaining the difference between a "Befehlsarmee" (army of orders) and an "Auftragsarmee" (army of missions), two different military leadership styles, back when he did his service year*).



* I just saw on Wikipedia that the German term "Auftragstaktik" (mission command) has made it into several languages as a technical term.

True, but my point was that none of that Ukrainians would be able to exploit this much in the case that they aren't getting so much weapons and intel. Having a good understanding that removes a huge chunk of what is called "fog of war" is exactly why all those Russian mistakes became obvious. I admit they did a fare of share of stupid decisions even if we ignore the fact that they started this war. However the key error is obvious underestimating of the tracking regarding their troop movements. Since usually a mistake isn't a mistake if the enemy doesn't know anything about it.

 

[The Cat]

 

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U.S. reopens embassy in Ukrainian capital

Polish PM: We’ll defend Sweden, Finland if attacked during NATO accession

 

[The Cat]