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Trump vs. Biden

Tater

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I just got back from shopping. I couldn't stop laughing as I drove and read all the signs on people's yards along the way. Biden. Biden. Biden. Biden. Biden. Fuck you Trump. Biden. Biden. Biden. Republicans For Biden. Biden. Biden. Biden. Fuck you Trump. Biden. Biden. Biden.

:D

In Phoenix, there's a mix. In Goodyear, it's mostly Trump flags.

Yesterday, I saw a lot of people with Trump flags on their cars, etc. Some people on a bridge were waving Trump flags. Then there was one van with an antifa logo passing under and a truck with a Trump flag passing under at the same time. The Trump supporters in the truck waved at the people on the bridge while the guys in the antifa truck gave the middle finger to the people on the bridge. All happening at the same time. It was pretty incredible.
 

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This is supposedly a written statement put forth by Kavanaugh yesterday:

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If it's legit (I've seen it in several places and I've not yet seen indication that suggests he didn't write it), he's really exceeding expectations to be a colossal partisan douchebag and an addle-minded tool. This opinion isn't built on precedent of how elections have transpired in the past so much as clear partisan hackery, and he could hardly have just contributed more "chaos and suspicions of impropriety" himself, by releasing this, if he tried. He's not lending legitimacy to an early close to election results; he's degrading trust in and respect for the opinion of the Supreme Court.
 

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Some of the key states early voting as a complete percentage of 2016.



Texas: 86.9%
Montana: 75.4%
North Carolina: 71.5%
Georgia: 71.4%
Florida: 66.1%
Colorado: 61.8%
Arizona: 60.3%
Nevada: 51.7%
Wisconsin: 48.8%
Michigan: 43.3%



48.2% for the whole country.
I mean everything that passes 70% until election day could easily turn into a disaster for GOP.


Also I can smell some parallels with my corona elections. The party that is taking the pandemic much more seriously could end up in unexpected landslide. Which is how I tend to interpret big turnouts in many places. Since with early voting this isn't so sudden and you should see the making of this outcome in slow motion (if my parallel is right).
 

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This is supposedly a written statement put forth by Kavanaugh yesterday:

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If it's legit (I've seen it in several places and I've not yet seen indication that suggests he didn't write it), he's really exceeding expectations to be a colossal partisan douchebag and an addle-minded tool. This opinion isn't built on precedent of how elections have transpired in the past so much as clear partisan hackery, and he could hardly have just contributed more "chaos and suspicions of impropriety" himself, by releasing this, if he tried. He's not lending legitimacy to an early close to election results; he's degrading trust in and respect for the opinion of the Supreme Court.

North Carolina. As it stands, as long as the ballot is postmarked by the 3rd, it can be counted up to 9 days later. Yes, 9 days. The Republicans tried to block it but lost. You can see SCOTUS being used as a pawn every time Trump's campaign doesn't get its way:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s campaign again asked the U.S. Supreme Court on Sunday to block North Carolina’s plan for counting absentee ballots that arrive after the Nov. 3 Election Day, the latest legal tussle in a wide-ranging fight over mail-in voting.

The campaign initially filed the application on Thursday after a U.S. federal appeals court decision last week left in place North Carolina’s plan, dealing a setback to Trump’s re-election campaign.

In a 12-3 decision, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals last Tuesday denied a bid to halt the North Carolina State Board of Elections from tallying ballots postmarked by Nov. 3 that arrive before Nov. 12.

Trump has said he wants Barrett on the court to address any election-related cases. Since the cases he has brought against states for election issues thus far have left him mostly winless, the U.S. will get to know Barrett's behavior real fast if attacks on the states suddenly turn in his favor.
 

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SCOTUS did uphold Wisconsin's decision to stop counting ballots though, regardless of whether they were postmarked as being sent on time.

Supreme Court rejects request to extend Wisconsin’s deadline for counting mail-in ballots

The Supreme Court on Monday night rejected a pandemic-related request from Democrats and civil rights groups to extend the deadline for counting mail-in ballots received after Election Day in the key battleground state of Wisconsin.

The vote was 5 to 3, with the Republican-nominated conservatives in the majority and the Democratic-nominated liberals in dissent. The court’s order showed the deep division within the court about the series of pandemic-related election cases that have come to dominate its agenda.

The court’s conservatives say they must defer to state officials on election decisions made in the largely Republican-run states, and the liberal justices say there is a need for dramatic action by judges to ensure the franchise for endangered voters during an unprecedented time.

“On the scales of both constitutional justice and electoral accuracy, protecting the right to vote in a health crisis outweighs conforming to a deadline created in safer days,” liberal Justice Elena Kagan wrote in dissent.

Conservative Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh answered that Kagan’s “green light to federal courts to rewrite dozens of state election laws around the country over the next two weeks seems to be rooted in a belief that federal judges know better than state legislators about how to run elections during a pandemic.”

Why does he think the Supreme Court exists?
 

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SCOTUS did uphold Wisconsin's decision to stop counting ballots though, regardless of whether they were postmarked as being sent on time.

Supreme Court rejects request to extend Wisconsin’s deadline for counting mail-in ballots

Which is why I said mostly. There are outliers.
 

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Listen mothafucka...I didn't sign up for your damn emails. I've never gotten emails begging for support and donations before until Trump, LOL. How desperate do you have to be?
 

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66 Million And Counting: Americans Are Breaking Early Voting Records

In 2019, McDonald predicted that 150 million people would vote in 2020's general election, which would be a turnout rate of about 65% — the highest since 1908.

But he's going back to the drawing board.

"I have increasingly been confident that 150 [million] is probably a lowball estimate," he said Monday. "I think by the end of the week I'll be upping that forecast."

I'm not clear on whether received mail-in ballots are included in the early vote count.
 

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66 Million And Counting: Americans Are Breaking Early Voting Records

In 2019, McDonald predicted that 150 million people would vote in 2020's general election, which would be a turnout rate of about 65% — the highest since 1908.

But he's going back to the drawing board.

"I have increasingly been confident that 150 [million] is probably a lowball estimate," he said Monday. "I think by the end of the week I'll be upping that forecast."

I'm not clear on whether received mail-in ballots are included in the early vote count.
Damn, it's about time one of these 2020 records are actually positive...
 

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I wonder if Flo Rida will be voting in Florida. Where does he even live?
 

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We're in the final stretch, and not much would change the outcome of the election at this point. Looking at historical elections and the contextual fundamentals and polling, a candidate in Biden's position would win approximately 90% ± 5% of the time. He leads in the RCP averages for states totaling 311 electoral votes, and in the 538 snake he is at least the very slight favorite in states with 351 electoral votes.

But we don't know what we don't know. In 2016, polling was off due to pollsters not properly weighting by education. Voters with greater education tend to respond to pollsters with greater frequency than those with less education, and they also tended to favor Clinton in 2016. Many pollsters have corrected for that, but there could be another miscalibration in this cycle also.

We can post polls, articles, and analyses that are favorable to our preferred candidate, but that isn't going to change what happens by November 3rd. Hopefully, there will be a clear victor on election night.

Ultimately, I think we're all ready for this election to be over and to move on with our lives, one way or the other.

Edit:

I'd like to add an analogy. Consider a bag containing three coins: one standard, one with heads on both sides, and one with tails on both sides. You pick a coin at random from the bag and flip it once. If it comes up heads, you're 2/3 * 1 + 1/3 * .5 = 83% likely to get heads on the second flip. Same thing if it comes up tails on the first flip: 83% likely to get tails on the second flip. In each case, that first flip is like a poll. Based on our knowledge of what's in the bag, that first flip (polling) actually gives us some information about what the outcome of second flip (the election) will be. But, there is still uncertainty. We're either in the situation with the fair coin, or the situation with the trick coin. But, we don't actually know for sure which situation we're in. The probabilities relate to our own perceptions/understanding, and don't actually apply to the coin (or election) itself.
 

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well, I won't stop holding my breath until it's over. Statistics almost always outweigh hunches and intuitions (until they don't). This isn't wishful thinking--I truly hope the data is correct and that Trump loses. I just can't shake a certain feeling that there's still some factor that even the experts might not have accounted for, one or more that might not be easily discerned until it's too late to make a difference.
 

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This Chris sounds like an idiot made-up person, or like someone who was already centrist or on the fence in the first place. Or perhaps her past support for Democrats was based on a single issue.

Anatomy of a secret Trump voter - StarTribune.com


Right before lockdowns began, there were some of those 'secret' Trump voters at my workplace. I can tell because they get noticeably uncomfortable and quiet once a political conversation took a turn toward Trump bashing.

Probably just a handful though, I doubt they are legion enough to make a difference with Biden's numbers so high
 

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Of note, based on 538's model, we have a 74% chance of a united government. In other words, our chance of a split government is about the same as flipping a coin twice and getting heads both times.

There is a 7% chance that things remain exactly as they are (like flipping a coin 4 times and getting heads all 4 times).

There's an 18% chance that the Senate party doesn't match the POTUS (like rolling a 1 on a 6-sided die).

If we get a Biden + R Senate, there is a strong chance that the Senate would flip during the 2022 midterms.
 
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