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Random political thought thread.

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Did it ever occur to you she has a lot on her plate right now? Having said that, I have a personal rule for myself and I suggest it to all who have worked for me: Underpromise and overdeliver. You would never catch me promising anything in 90 days. If something derails your plans, what happens? People like you complain she didn't keep her word.
 

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Every Rubin Report Ever. He reminds of the super computer governing a planet in that old Star Trek episode, when Kirk exposed the machine’s contradicting logic and caused it to meltdown. I think Rubin is a bot built in Russia, and that he’s been malfunctioning for some time.

 

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The top-performing link posts by U.S. Facebook pages in the last 24 hours are from:

1. Dan Bongino
2. Dan Bongino
3. Fox News
4. Dan Bongino
5. Dan Bongino
6. Dan Bongino
7. Dan Bongino
8. Dan Bongino
9. CNN
10. Dan Bongino

Um, I was told the tech companies were suppressing any and all conservative voices.
 

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Random thought: A trend I'm seeing on the Reddit forums I follow is people in there 30s, 40s, and one lady in her 60s claiming they're voting for the first time, and that just blows my mind. Like...I get people in their late teens/early twenties but...

30s? 40s? 60s? Where the hell have you people been all this time!?
 

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Random thought: A trend I'm seeing on the Reddit forums I follow is people in there 30s, 40s, and one lady in her 60s claiming they're voting for the first time, and that just blows my mind. Like...I get people in their late teens/early twenties but...

30s? 40s? 60s? Where the hell have you people been all this time!?

Think about it like this. If no one ever addressed anything in your life, offered nothing and treated YOU as if YOUR vote didn't matter - would you be motivated to vote? This is not an easy thing for many of us to understand - until I started community organizing I didn't either.
 

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Think about it like this. If no one ever addressed anything in your life, offered nothing and treated YOU as if YOUR vote didn't matter - would you be motivated to vote? This is not an easy thing for many of us to understand - until I started community organizing I didn't either.

I understand that, at least on an intellectual level anyway. Living in Florida, which has been a swing state since forever, I've never had the feeling that my vote didn't matter or wasn't desired. Every election cycle its an avalanche of mailings/phone calls/etc of some political party representative wanting to talk to me about my vote.

The idea that there are places where that doesn't happen might as well be a different planet.

Still...I get it
 

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The top-performing link posts by U.S. Facebook pages in the last 24 hours are from:

1. Dan Bongino
2. Dan Bongino
3. Fox News
4. Dan Bongino
5. Dan Bongino
6. Dan Bongino
7. Dan Bongino
8. Dan Bongino
9. CNN
10. Dan Bongino

Um, I was told the tech companies were suppressing any and all conservative voices.

They don't suppress MSM, including Fox news. They usually target individual posts of specific phrases, and links by FB users. You wouldn't even know it was happening, unless you were banned or were in a group or page that shared content. This is what "Shadow banning" is, it happens well... in the shadows. Not in full view of everyone in the site that can easily be tracked.
 

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Random thought: A trend I'm seeing on the Reddit forums I follow is people in there 30s, 40s, and one lady in her 60s claiming they're voting for the first time, and that just blows my mind. Like...I get people in their late teens/early twenties but...

30s? 40s? 60s? Where the hell have you people been all this time!?

Escapism is usually the number 1 cause. Most people have zero interest, because they don't see the affects in their immediate life. I didn't get involved in politics till I was in my late 20s. Before then, it felt like something that was happening somewhere else in the world, and not to me. I think many non-voters don't care enough, because that is just how comfortable it is being in a first world. Where pop stars have more sway in your mind, than a old white man on TV.
 

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They don't suppress MSM, including Fox news. They usually target individual posts of specific phrases, and links by FB users. You wouldn't even know it was happening, unless you were banned or were in a group or page that shared content. This is what "Shadow banning" is, it happens well... in the shadows. Not in full view of everyone in the site that can easily be tracked.

You have a no contact order on me, requested by you. Why are you quoting me? Fuck off.
 
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The top-performing link posts by U.S. Facebook pages in the last 24 hours are from:

1. Dan Bongino
2. Dan Bongino
3. Fox News
4. Dan Bongino
5. Dan Bongino
6. Dan Bongino
7. Dan Bongino
8. Dan Bongino
9. CNN
10. Dan Bongino

Um, I was told the tech companies were suppressing any and all conservative voices.

I guess conservatives are legit upset about the QAnon bans. I suppose that's also why they hate monopolies all of a sudden instead of considering being a monopoly the reward for doing things successfully.

Private companies can do what they want, though. Legally, the first amendement does not apply to them. It's almost as though there are consequences to letting large, unaccountable organizations make all the decisions.
 

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I guess conservatives are legit upset about the QAnon bans. I suppose that's also why they hate monopolies all of a sudden instead of considering the reward for doing thing successfully.

Private companies can do what they want, though. Legally, the first amendement does not apply to them. It's almost as though there are consequences to letting large, unaccountable organizations make all the decisions.



That depends on how you look at this, big internet companies are paying billions in fines on this side of the Atlantic for being "anarchistic".
Plus the other day my prime minister got in front of the cameras quite pissed due to some incidents and openly announced war on the "internet right wing", with threats of finding all of their hate nests. What is because social consequences of their actions are getting out hand and they are inspiring literal public violence. Something we usually hold under control here.
Therefore I give my government full blessing to deal with internet cultists. Since this when it becomes systematic and organized should be treated as ISIS.
 
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That depends on how you look at this, big internet companies are paying billions in fines on this side of the Atlantic for being "anarchistic".
Plus the other day my prime minister got in front of the cameras quite pissed due to some incidents and openly announced war on the "internet right wing", with threats of finding all of their hate nests. What is because social consequences of their actions are getting out hand and they are inspiring literal public violence. Something we usually hold under control here.
Therefore I give my government full blessing to deal with internet cultists. Since this when it becomes systematic and organized should be treated as ISIS.

Right, but I'm talking about in an American context, especially with the attitude the right wing often has towards large corporations. Here they're taking a different approach from usual for the sole reason that it's being turned towards them. The only reason they now want to break up tech monopolies is because the tech monopolies are making decisions about what should be done on their platforms that they own that the right-wingers don't like. In many other cases, if it wasn't directly affecting them, the line would be that the government has no right to determine how a private entity should do things.

That's why going after Google isn't socialism the way going after health insurance is. Childish cry-baby narcissism all around. Tech companies have, along with the old bogeyman of Hollywood, become for right-wingers, the bad capitalists, which is almost solely because of culture war bullshit rather than anything worth addressing like labor law, income inequality, or South American coups.

I personally can't say I shed too much tears about the likes of QAnon and Alex Jones not being given a public forum. I just find it funny that now they consider it unfair that private companies can do things like make decisions about who can use their platforms.
 
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I think Trump's ESTP bluntness is probably his most positive trait, and in a perverse way, might actually have a positive effect on American politics.

His extreme egocentrism and the fact that he probably owes his presidency due to a stint as a reality TV show host? Not so much. I'd prefer a bartender to a reality TV show host by a million miles.

His most telling trait is his personal misery and perpetual unhappiness speaks to the poverty of his value system. This is a guy who has it all and is perpetually unhappy. To me that's not a great advertisement for getting on board with his worldview. Why would I want to adopt a worldview and pursue goals that will make me a miserable old fuck?
 

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I think Trump's ESTP bluntness is probably his most positive trait, and in a perverse way, might actually have a positive effect on American politics.

His extreme egocentrism and the fact that he probably owes his presidency due to a stint as a reality TV show host? Not so much. I'd prefer a bartender to a reality TV show host by a million miles.

His most telling trait is his personal misery and perpetual unhappiness speaks to the poverty of his value system. This is a guy who has it all and is perpetually unhappy. To me that's not a great advertisement for getting on board with his worldview. Why would I want to adopt a worldview and pursue goals that will make me a miserable old fuck?

But the people he is talking to are also just as miserable. Obviously he isn't talking to you or me but have you met a Trump supporter that was happy? I haven't.

Varying degrees of misery but as a group - they never have enough, the world is never the way they view it or believe it should be, people don't respect them or include them in the way they believe they should be respected or included. I've never heard what they are doing to deserve that respect, of course but that's part of the issue. The demand respect, they don't reciprocate unless it's on their terms in a way they deem acceptable.

After spending 5+ years talking to Trump supporters and conservatives, they are the most miserably, paranoid, unhappy people in this country. Perpetually outraged at others wanting the same rights and opportunity as they do and unwilling to participate in upholding the core principals of this country.
 

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I think Trump's ESTP bluntness is probably his most positive trait, and in a perverse way, might actually have a positive effect on American politics.

His extreme egocentrism and the fact that he probably owes his presidency due to a stint as a reality TV show host? Not so much. I'd prefer a bartender to a reality TV show host by a million miles.

His most telling trait is his personal misery and perpetual unhappiness speaks to the poverty of his value system. This is a guy who has it all and is perpetually unhappy. To me that's not a great advertisement for getting on board with his worldview. Why would I want to adopt a worldview and pursue goals that will make me a miserable old fuck?

I personally think more positive expressions of ESTP bluntness might be Teddy Roosevelt and Churchill
 

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But the people he is talking to are also just as miserable. Obviously he isn't talking to you or me but have you met a Trump supporter that was happy? I haven't.

Varying degrees of misery but as a group - they never have enough, the world is never the way they view it or believe it should be, people don't respect them or include them in the way they believe they should be respected or included. I've never heard what they are doing to deserve that respect, of course but that's part of the issue. The demand respect, they don't reciprocate unless it's on their terms in a way they deem acceptable.

After spending 5+ years talking to Trump supporters and conservatives, they are the most miserably, paranoid, unhappy people in this country. Perpetually outraged at others wanting the same rights and opportunity as they do and unwilling to participate in upholding the core principals of this country.

It’s simple, he capitalizes on exploiting other’s feelings of powerlessness and victimhood.
 
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But the people he is talking to are also just as miserable. Obviously he isn't talking to you or me but have you met a Trump supporter that was happy? I haven't.

Varying degrees of misery but as a group - they never have enough, the world is never the way they view it or believe it should be, people don't respect them or include them in the way they believe they should be respected or included. I've never heard what they are doing to deserve that respect, of course but that's part of the issue. The demand respect, they don't reciprocate unless it's on their terms in a way they deem acceptable.

After spending 5+ years talking to Trump supporters and conservatives, they are the most miserably, paranoid, unhappy people in this country. Perpetually outraged at others wanting the same rights and opportunity as they do and unwilling to participate in upholding the core principals of this country.

It does seem that way.

I personally think more positive expressions of ESTP bluntness might be Teddy Roosevelt and Churchill

I didn't say it was the best example, just that it was the best thing about him.
 

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Right, but I'm talking about in an American context, especially with the attitude the right wing often has towards large corporations. Here they're taking a different approach from usual for the sole reason that it's being turned towards them. The only reason they now want to break up tech monopolies is because the tech monopolies are making decisions about what should be done on their platforms that they own that the right-wingers don't like. In many other cases, if it wasn't directly affecting them, the line would be that the government has no right to determine how a private entity should do things.

That's why going after Google isn't socialism the way going after health insurance is. Childish cry-baby narcissism all around. Tech companies have, along with the old bogeyman of Hollywood, become for right-wingers, the bad capitalists, which is almost solely because of culture war bullshit rather than anything worth addressing like labor law, income inequality, or South American coups.

I personally can't say I shed too much tears about the likes of QAnon and Alex Jones not being given a public forum. I just find it funny that now they consider it unfair that private companies can do things like make decisions about who can use their platforms.


Well, this is something that I called stupid years ago. Let's limit the system where our elected officials sit and expand the one over which we have little to no control. This really is locking yourself in and throwing the key through the window.





However here big tech companies are often viewed with skepticism, since they are constantly importing radical stuff from US. What is perhaps main reason why I want Trump to lose since if that happens that should clear up the internet to some degree. Since I simply find it scandalous that in the time when you have the pandemic of this scale the system has to spend good chunk of it's time and energy in fighting misinformation from abroad.


QAnon goes European


As I said this should be treated as ISIS and my government has my full blessing in countering this.
 
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