Trump vs. Biden

[Z Buck McFate]

From HCR's Letters last night.

Wallace asked: "Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down?” Trump demanded names of such groups, and Wallace named, among others, the Proud Boys, the hate group that helped to organize the riot in Charlottesville, Virginia. After hedging, Trump finally answered: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by! But I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left." "That's my president," the head of the Proud Boys posted on the social media chair that will still host them. Within an hour the group had new shoulder patches designed with the words “Stand Back and Stand By.”
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I know the account of the debate is true because I watched it, but I've not seen confirmation of the badges yet. I did see a few indications last (at least one news story, can't remember by who) that they were celebrating the fact that he wouldn't condemn them.

And Trump pretty much asked for his supporters to show up at polling places to intimidate voters out of voting in his usual shitty dog whistle way.

In my mind, that^ was the most disturbing part of last night.

 

[The Cat]

From HCR's Letters last night.

Wallace asked: "Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down?” Trump demanded names of such groups, and Wallace named, among others, the Proud Boys, the hate group that helped to organize the riot in Charlottesville, Virginia. After hedging, Trump finally answered: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by! But I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left." "That's my president," the head of the Proud Boys posted on the social media chair that will still host them. Within an hour the group had new shoulder patches designed with the words “Stand Back and Stand By.”
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I know the account of the debate is true because I watched it, but I've not seen confirmation of the badges yet. I did see a few indications last (at least one news story, can't remember by who) that they were celebrating the fact that he wouldn't condemn them.

And Trump pretty much asked for his supporters to show up at polling places to intimidate voters out of voting in his usual shitty dog whistle way.

In my mind, that^ was the most disturbing part of last night.

desperate men take desperate measures it makes them more dangerous rather than less. Should he lose the election what does he have, but a lot of debt and no longer in a position to leverage the office to hold off his debtors.

 

[Totenkindly]

I saw this floating around but don't know if it's an official logo / purchasable swag for Proud Boys.

 

[The Cat]

I saw this floating around but don't know if it's an official logo / purchasable swag for Proud Boys.

This is why we can't have nice things. -_-

 

[The Cat]

 

[Jaguar]

Screw the Proud Pricks, this is the problem:

Trump set out tonight not to convince undecided voters to support him, but rather to harden his supporters and encourage them to disrupt the election so he can contest the results until the solution goes to the Supreme Court where he hopes a majority will rule in his favor.

 

[The Cat]

Screw the Proud Pricks, this is the problem:

I wish it were just two problems

 

[Jaguar]

I wish it were just two problems

I'm talking about the election itself, not all the problems in the country.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

I saw this floating around but don't know if it's an official logo / purchasable swag for Proud Boys.

I find a modicum of comfort in hearing he'll concede if the Supreme Court tells him to. Unlike his enablers in Congress (who supposedly see him for what he is privately, but publicly support him to keep their base intact), or any of the mindless "loyal" minions he's appointed at the top of all departments across the federal government, once Justices have been seated in SCOTUS they don't have to enable him anymore. As disgusted as I am that Trump has chosen 3 SCOTUS members (through years of shitty, unethical GOP power grabs), I'm hoping at least THEY won't operate like their job is to serve him instead of the country. I'm hoping anyway. (And hopefully if he officially ceded, his goon supporters will then somewhat cede too).

 

[Abcdenfp]

"What a world, what a world.." the wicked witch of the west

 

[Totenkindly]

I'm talking about the election itself, not all the problems in the country.

Yeah, I was not surprised at the content but surprised at how open he was about essentially discrediting the election process and disrupting the vote so that SCOTUS would have grounds to interfere. You think a real mastermind would at least not share his secret plan with everyone before enacting it, but "poker face" is not one of his traits.

It was also obvious he had no plan for anything... which is why he did no debate prep. He didn't need debate prep, because there were no plans he wanted to present and justify. His strategy was to generate enough noise to disrupt any coherent discussion coming out of the debate.

 

[Stigmata]

I'm starting to think Nancy Pelosi was right about not having the debates, not to try and conceal Biden's gaffes but just because of how disgraceful that display was to the position of the presidency.

 

[Virtual ghost]

My media all claim this was a mess and US shouldn't be proud with this kind of debate. However they pointed out that even debate without clear winner is basically a victory for Biden. Since he has a decent lead and Trump is running out of time and opportunities. They even had a shot segment on how media around the world are reporting about the "disaster debate".



My president added in stereotypical e8 fashion that Trump made too much of a mess over 4 years and he has to go. Stable US is just too important for the world.

 

[Virtual ghost]

I'm starting to think Nancy Pelosi was right about not having the debates, not to try and conceal Biden's gaffes but just because of how disgraceful that display was to the position of the presidency.

Nope, people should be allowed to see this shitshow. Especially since one side set the mood for this to happen (let's be honest). Plus if you refuse the debate you will surely lose support and talking points.

 

[Z Buck McFate]

Question. I've been mulling this over all day. Last night when Trump issued disproven allegations about Hunter, would it have been a good idea or bad idea for Biden to throw proportionate barbs, like "Unlike the allegations about YOUR adult children defrauding a children's cancer charity fund, the allegations against my son were disproved"? (Disproven? I can't be bothered to look up proper grammar right now).

(He should have also mentioned it had been disproved by a Republican led intelligence committee, but the lightning round nature of these debates makes it difficult to recall details like that off the cuff).

 

[tinker683]

Question. I've been mulling this over all day. Last night when Trump issued disproven allegations about Hunter, would it have been a good idea or bad idea for Biden to throw proportionate barbs, like "Unlike the allegations about YOUR adult children defrauding a children's cancer charity fund, the allegations against my son were disproved"? (Disproven? I can't be bothered to look up proper grammar right now).

(He should have also mentioned it had been disproved by a Republican led intelligence committee, but the lightning round nature of these debates makes it difficult to recall details like that off the cuff).

While I do think that bears mentioning, I feel like it wouldn't done much to improve the quality of the conversation. It was such a disaster pit at that point, I thought he gave was probably the better choice.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Question. I've been mulling this over all day. Last night when Trump issued disproven allegations about Hunter, would it have been a good idea or bad idea for Biden to throw proportionate barbs, like "Unlike the allegations about YOUR adult children defrauding a children's cancer charity fund, the allegations against my son were disproved"? (Disproven? I can't be bothered to look up proper grammar right now).

(He should have also mentioned it had been disproved by a Republican led intelligence committee, but the lightning round nature of these debates makes it difficult to recall details like that off the cuff).

Currently Biden has a certain lead and he has it for the most part because he is seen as adult by his potential voters. So going against Trump on person level would almost surely be counter-productive for Biden. Plus most people know "the family stories" and they don't really care for the most part about those. Most of the people just wants their lives back. However for that you basically need an adult in the office and therefore it is better to look like one. His "controlled sane guy" image is almost everything Biden has at this point. I mean some people don't get it but Biden is actually running pretty image heavy campaign (however it is a subtle one).



My 2 cents.

 

[ceecee]

I saw this floating around but don't know if it's an official logo / purchasable swag for Proud Boys.

"The Proud Boys are a men’s organization founded in 2016 ... as a pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world; aka Western Chauvinists."

These neo-fascist chuds have a magazine with an "editor" named Pawl. They're also terrified of women and don't jack off.

 

[Totenkindly]

I was actually thinking of this last night while watching, it had leaped to mind:

I also remember thinking a lot about Biden's stutter and how Trump seemed to purposefully be trying to fluster him so his stutter kicked in and he would be mistaken as senile, playing into Trump's attacks outside of the debates.

It was just a shit move, when we're all watching so that we can learn what each candidate stands for and what their plans actually are, so we can make a good choice.

 

[ceecee]

Uhh-huh.