Is Secular Leftism A Religion?

[rav3n]

The absence of belief in something while embracing something else doesn't equate to a religion. Otherwise, not believing in unicorns while being a fan of horses would be a religion. Equestrianism.

 

[Lark]

What about secular rightism?

 

[Caribelle]

It's going to become the foundation for anti -Christianity in the future.

 

[Justin of Flavia Neapolis]

What about secular rightism?

Two sides of the same coin: Enlightenment Liberalism. Both sides operate with the same presuppositions.

 

[anticlimatic]

What about secular rightism?

Bust out the comparisons! I'm down.

 

[Lark]

It's going to become the foundation for anti -Christianity in the future.

A lot of the precepts or motivations for the core tenets of what's being discussed here I would guess are at the very least legacies of Christianity in some ways, at least a poorly understood, basic sort of Christianity.

It is an outbreak that's much more typical in most of the Christian world after all, the like of it is not seen in Asia, India, Indo-China etc. etc.

 

[Lark]

Two sides of the same coin: Enlightenment Liberalism. Both sides operate with the same presuppositions.

I think maybe there was a time this would have been correct, I dont think its been correct for some time now though.

Racism has unseated enlightenment liberalism. Or its giving it a strong contest.

I'm not sure that enlightenment anything was popular with the right, secular or otherwise, as anything other than a pretext anyway. Gotta serve the money.

 

[Lark]

Bust out the comparisons! I'm down.

I'm asking the question rather than making a point.

Maybe the OP is suggesting that its exclusively a secular left thing, in which case it might've been prejudice, I dont know.

 

[anticlimatic]

I'm asking the question rather than making a point. Maybe the OP is suggesting that its exclusively a secular left thing, in which case it might've been prejudice, I dont know.

Damn, I was hoping you were about to contribute something new and creative.

 

[Lark]

Damn, I was hoping you were about to contribute something new and creative.

You're doing well at keeping the ould snark in check then.

 

[anticlimatic]

You're doing well at keeping the ould snark in check then.

 

[anticlimatic]

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

religions are run by Republicans

 

[ceecee]

religions are run by Republicans

Generally unless they are Sikhs. I haven't found a Republican one of them so far. Might have something to do with being anti-caste and that feeding people daily for hundreds of years and not being assholes as basic foundations of their belief.

 

[Coriolis]

Generally unless they are Sikhs. I haven't found a Republican one of them so far. Might have something to do with being anti-caste and that feeding people daily for hundreds of years and not being assholes as basic foundations of their belief.

I haven't run into many Republican Pagans or Bahai's either.

 

[ceecee]

I haven't run into many Republican Pagans or Bahai's either.

I know one pagan Trump voter/supporter. Not sure if they still are.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

only the dumb fucking evangelists I meet are still Trump supporters. Because they're dumb fucking evangelist materialists and it's natural they would love what he stands for. The religion of every man for himself that preaches those who live in poverty just didn't have enough faith. The religion that has a fucked up idea of what human stewardship over the planet entails. It dovetails nicely with their political ideals of ultra capitalism. Hummers, new parking lots and Toby Keith CDs for the faithful.

the Buddhists, unitarians, pagans, etc I know are almost exclusively anti-Trump.

FTR I identify myself as a Taoist when asked

 

[anticlimatic]

only the dumb fucking evangelists I meet are still Trump supporters. Because they're dumb fucking evangelist materialists and it's natural they would love what he stands for. The religion of every man for himself that preaches those who live in poverty just didn't have enough faith. The religion that has a fucked up idea of what human stewardship over the planet entails. It dovetails nicely with their political ideals of ultra capitalism. Hummers, new parking lots and Toby Keith CDs for the faithful. the Buddhists, unitarians, pagans, etc I know are almost exclusively anti-Trump. FTR I identify myself as a Taoist when asked

"To be deeply loved by someone gives you strength, to love someone deeply gives you courage."

Im a universalist myself, which I suppose would include any postulates of wisdom that might emerge from the secular leftism religion too. "No justice no peace" seems to have some macro resonance.

And I was persecuted as an outlier most of my young adulthood from fundamentalist Christian authoritarian types, often in "gang up on me" scenarios. It's from those experiences that I began noticing similar patterns from the cultural left, and I'm not surprised other people are picking up on it after George Floyd.

 

[anticlimatic]

How to Avoid Becoming a Person You Hate | Psychology Today

When empathy plays favorites, we should all be scared.

It makes us feel better to separate ourselves from people whose behavior we don't like. It makes us feel moral, safe, and beyond reproach. But separating the other people as evil means we are more likely to lash out at them and, before we know it, become cruel ourselves

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

And I was persecuted as an outlier most of my young adulthood from fundamentalist Christian authoritarian types, often in "gang up on me" scenarios. It's from those experiences that I began noticing similar patterns from the cultural left, and I'm not surprised other people are picking up on it after George Floyd.

A lot of them came from that background. It's not hard for people to fall back on what they know. For instance, if someone grew up believing that they shouldn't read things that contain viewpoints they find threatening, it's not wholly unexpected that they might still continue with that response to alternative ideas even after they've left the church.

Any large group is going to have some fools present. I don't base my associations on the actions of the dumbest members. Two things are relevant:

• Which group has the most fools?
• Which foolish behavior has the most negative impact?

With regards to politics, if we must divide things into two groups, then we have one group with a large, significant number of people who consider public health to be totalitarianism, and we have a group that does not. This is sufficient to convince me that I have backed the right horse. Perhaps you think cancelling J.K Rowling (I was never a huge Potterhead to begin with) is worse than the public health thing. I do not.

In any case, I have never been into cancelling people, in part because I can think of many times in which my own behavior did not meet my own standards. Cancelling, too, is all too often a low-effort, purely symbolic act, and symbolic acts are not what we need now. I also read and watch a significant amount of older media that would not pass muster if it were made today, as well, which possibly also factors into my opinions about cancelling.