Random Politics Thread

[Vendrah]

Oh lord, he needs to explain that typing. Convince me. I think Biden's likely an ExFJ myself.

Im sorry, I meant Bernie not Biden.
These names with B confuses me. They are all unusual names in my native language.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Im sorry, I meant Bernie not Biden.
These names with B confuses me. They are all unusual names in my native language.

Ah, understood.

I think Bernie is an INTP.

 

[Virtual ghost]

My impressions.


Biden EsFJ 3w2
Bernie InFJ 1w2
Tulsi EnTJ 3w4

 

[anticlimatic]

Q: What does any of your usual ranting about Bernie and socialism have to do with conservation? A: Fuck all, because I wasn't even talking about Bernie.

Sorry dude, I'm an idiot. I read conservatism not conservation.

Conservatives are total nature freaks, but at the same time tend to burn their garbage in large barrels. Liberals live in big pollution infested cities, but at least do their best to recycle. Nobody's perfect.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Sorry dude, I'm an idiot. I read conservatism not conservation.

Conservatives are total nature freaks, but at the same time tend to burn their garbage in large barrels. Liberals live in big pollution infested cities, but at least do their best to recycle. Nobody's perfect.

Agreed. Sorry I was prickly. Wednesdays always seem to be rough days for me and I end up taking it out on other people.

 

[Jaguar]

Actually, that is normal in many other countries around the world.

I live in the USA. Good luck. Maybe we should give violent inmates Netflix, too. Field trips to Le Bernardin for a decent dinner.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Creepy hair sniffing pedo motherfucker.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Sorry dude, I'm an idiot. I read conservatism not conservation.

Conservatives are total nature freaks, but at the same time tend to burn their garbage in large barrels. Liberals live in big pollution infested cities, but at least do their best to recycle. Nobody's perfect.

I like nature. I live in a city because of jobs and the large dating pool.

 

[anticlimatic]

I like nature. I live in a city because of jobs and the large dating pool.

Right on. To each their own. I live in nature because cities give me a hundred different panic attacks and I don't know if my truck could ever recover from having the key taken out of the ignition or the doors locked. It's never been tried before.

 

[ceecee]

Q: What does any of your usual ranting about Bernie and socialism have to do with conservation?

A: Fuck all, because I wasn't even talking about Bernie.

Bernie/socialism is all *he* is thinking about though. But that seems to be a fairly common conservative affliction.

lol at the conservatives are nature freaks. He thinks we all live in a city.

 

[highlander]

I dont know well any of these guys. Im not american, Im not into US politics that well, except with the part that the word is kind of bombarder by these media. However, I did had a look at personality-database (I quit that community because even a troll was more praised then my opinions from alternative points of view; Its kind of a joke NPs being so much attached to Ti-Ne-Si-Fe...): Biden: ESFJ (76/141 votes) ENFJ (42/141) ESFP (9/141) 6w7 (28/29) Bernie (out of 395): INTJ (194) ENFJ (58) ENTJ (49) 1w9 (48/87) 1w2 (29) Tulsi, Tulsi Gabbard? Out of 55 ISTJ (33) ESTJ (14) INTJ (3) 1w9(14/15) I look at these typings carefully. That website follows the E/I concept that is not the one used by official MBTI. Politicians have very extraverted activities all the time, have to express themselves, and etc... so they would be, in the social concept, extraverts. However, in the second concept of E/I, which is the one they use without realizing, is that if the person is "oriented by the object [objective]" or "oriented by the subject [subjective]". I even made a compilation of stupid funny comments from that website in @mancino type me thread. Im usually lazy to the point where I prefer to go to the website to see type instead of thinking to myself. However, sometimes they do some typings that seems to be horrendous innaccurate. I mostly agree with them in most typings, although for very different reasons. Since they are using enneagram and MBTI without being really aware of connections between MBTI and enneagram except on a surface level, it is a quite advantage to know that connections to evaluate their typings. 6w7 is way closer to ESFJ then ENFJ. I also remember @highlander mentioning somewhere that he thinks Biden is INTJ as well? Im not sure. Putting polls on these "celebrity/famous types" is a good ideia, not that I think off, that could help even on those type me threads.

Bernie is an ENTP.

No idea on Biden. Guess is ISTJ

 

[Vendrah]

Bernie is an ENTP.

No idea on Biden. Guess is ISTJ

ENTP?
Wow, thats a minority opinion.
I havent seen a single speech of these guys (and I dont need to, I dont vote for american elections) and I only have a superifical notion, so I dont have an opinion of myself. I just repeated the opinion of the majority.

 

[Tomb1]

Okay, time for the resident enneagram-socionics typology expert to chime in with socionics--e-type, wing, stack combinations for all of the primary candidates since the first debate. These typings have all been empirically validated by the only valid logically/structurally/conceptually flawless VI templates for every socionics type and subtype and the only valid logically/structurally/conceptually 2500+ breakdown for every enneagram type, wing and stack (see links below). Anybody who wants to challenge my typings please first post your 2500+ exemplars breakdown for every type wing and stack along with your VI templates for every socionics type and subtype. I'll be happy to review.

Elizabeth Warren: IEE-Ne 2w1 sp/so
Tulsi Gabbard: IEE-Ne 3w4 sp/sx
Kamala Harris: IEE-Ne 9w1 so/sp
Beto O’rourke: IEE-Fi 9w1 sp/sx
Gov. Jay Inslee: LSE-Si 9w8 sp/so
Bill D’Blasio: LSE-Si 1w9 sp/so
Tim Ryan: LSE-Te 6w5 sp/so
Bernie Sanders: LSI-Ti 1w2 so/sp
Joe Biden: LSE-Si 1w2 sp/so
Pete Buttigieg: ESE-Fe 9w1 sp/so
Eric Swalwell: ESE-Si 3w2 sp/so
Amy Klobuchar: LII-Ti 1w2 sp/sx
Andrew Yang: ILE-Ti 7w6 sp/sx
Marianne Williamson: EII-Fi 6w7 sp/so
Cory Booker: SEE-Se 2w1 so/sp
Julian Castro: LIE-Te 3w4 sp/so
John Delaney: LSE-Si 2w1 sp/so
Mike Bloomberg: LSE-Si 3w2 sp/so

 

[Virtual ghost]

ENTP?
Wow, thats a minority opinion.
I havent seen a single speech of these guys (and I dont need to, I dont vote for american elections) and I only have a superifical notion, so I dont have an opinion of myself. I just repeated the opinion of the majority.

I watched the some of his "presentations" and Bernie isn't an ENTP. He isn't a T and P also doesn't sound right, after all everyone is attacking him for his "inflexible vision".
He is some kind of a FJ in my book, probably an introvert if we judge by general vibe.

 

[Vendrah]

Okay, time for the resident enneagram-socionics typology expert to chime in with socionics--e-type, wing, stack combinations for all of the primary candidates since the first debate. These typings have all been empirically validated by the only valid logically/structurally/conceptually flawless VI templates for every socionics type and subtype and the only valid logically/structurally/conceptually 2500+ breakdown for every enneagram type, wing and stack (see links below). Anybody who wants to challenge my typings please first post your 2500+ exemplars breakdown for every type wing and stack along with your VI templates for every socionics type and subtype. I'll be happy to review.

Elizabeth Warren: IEE-Ne 2w1 sp/so
Tulsi Gabbard: IEE-Ne 3w4 sp/sx
Kamala Harris: IEE-Ne 9w1 so/sp
Beto O’rourke: IEE-Fi 9w1 sp/sx
Gov. Jay Inslee: LSE-Si 9w8 sp/so
Bill D’Blasio: LSE-Si 1w9 sp/so
Tim Ryan: LSE-Te 6w5 sp/so
Bernie Sanders: LSI-Ti 1w2 so/sp
Joe Biden: LSE-Si 1w2 sp/so
Pete Buttigieg: ESE-Fe 9w1 sp/so
Eric Swalwell: ESE-Si 3w2 sp/so
Amy Klobuchar: LII-Ti 1w2 sp/sx
Andrew Yang: ILE-Ti 7w6 sp/sx
Marianne Williamson: EII-Fi 6w7 sp/so
Cory Booker: SEE-Se 2w1 so/sp
Julian Castro: LIE-Te 3w4 sp/so
John Delaney: LSE-Si 2w1 sp/so
Mike Bloomberg: LSE-Si 3w2 sp/so

I think the probability of you misusing the words empirical and flawless is high.
Also, saying that its the only valid...

Whatever...

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Bernie is an ENTP.

No idea on Biden. Guess is ISTJ

I think Bernie is INTP.

Biden is ExFJ.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

I watched the some of his "presentations" and Bernie isn't an ENTP. He isn't a T and P also doesn't sound right, after all everyone is attacking him for his "inflexible vision".
He is some kind of a FJ in my book, probably an introvert if we judge by general vibe.

NTPs can come across as rigid and inflexible. Think Steve Jobs, who, when set on a certain plan, was hard to persuade otherwise.

We also don't have a very full picture of how flexible he is. For instance, much has been said of his defense of Fidel Castro in the 80s, but he was later quoted as criticizing Castro and authoritarian socialism. This suggests flexibility and a tendency to evolve and adapt his system-based thinking as new information comes in. The media mostly focused only on his earlier defense of Castro (just as they only focused on Tulsi meeting Assad and chose to omit how she also meets with opposition party leaders and human rights groups when visiting dictatorships).

 

[Virtual ghost]

NTPs can come across as rigid and inflexible. Think Steve Jobs, who, when set on a certain plan, was hard to persuade otherwise.

We also don't have a very full picture of how flexible he is. For instance, much has been said of his defense of Fidel Castro in the 80s, but he was later quoted as criticizing Castro and authoritarian socialism. The media mostly focused only on his earlier defense of Castro.

Yes and male IxFJs are like to come out as INTPs. Plus I am not sure that Steve Jobs was NTP.


Bernie is a J if you take a look at his rhetoric and how he rounds up his sentences. Also organizer in Chief isn't really the stamp that NTPs like to project. However he fairly obviously isn't a Te user, what often costs him.

 

[Vendrah]

Also organizer in Chief isn't really the stamp that NTPs like to project.

That is true for INTPs, but not for ENTPs.
It is for real: Ive read studies in the past and ENTPs indeed end up leading and have presence in business, and I think that can count as organizer in chief.
As a Ne-doms, administration and leading of ENTPs have a tendency to have autonomy (because they value that) and, although I dont recall reading it directly and Im not recalling clearly, they also have tendency to do some spread of activities, although they dont end up spreading income.

EDIT: Studies dont realy even use Ne, the correct term is "As NPs".

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Yes and male IxFJs are like to come out as INTPs. Plus I am not sure that Steve Jobs was NTP.


Bernie is a J if you take a look at his rhetoric and how he rounds up his sentences. Also organizer in Chief isn't really the stamp that NTPs like to project. However he fairly obviously isn't a Te user, what often costs him.

He doesn't really promote himself as an organizer-in-chief, so much as he does as a critic in chief. While I realize INJs are more stereotypically the "critics", never dismiss a Ti dom's tendency to criticize when they see very deep flaws or inconsistencies in a system.