2020 Democratic Party primary thread

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

It is a good point.

I really think people overestimate how much that label works in republican candidates' favor beyond riling their core supporters who likely weren't going to vote democratic in the first place.

The same people consider Hillary Clinton a socialist, so why worry too much about the "stigma" of the label? You're not going to get those people anyway.

 

[Yuurei]

I just don’t think Bernies ideas are even remotely practical. “ Make the rich people pay for it!” Yeah, okay you tell them that and watch absolutely everything you do-relevant or not-get completely stone-walled.

I think both parties are making the same mistakes we have been for decades which put us in the position we’re in today. Having to one-up the other side in extremes.
Bush was a disaster so we said “ Wow, that didn’t work. You know what will definitely fix this? The complete opposite- a super liberal black guy!”
“ Well that didn’t fix our countries problems, so obviously the solution is to take a ever harder turn!”

That clearly didn’t work. So now we’ve resorted to a guy who promises to make everything for everyone!”

Eight years from now we’ll straight up elect Hitler’s reanimated corpse. After that, some entity of pure energy with no concept of gender or material goods.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

Documents reveal DNC was '''intimately involved''' with Iowa caucus app

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I just don’t think Bernies ideas are even remotely practical. “ Make the rich people pay for it!” Yeah, okay you tell them that and watch absolutely everything you do-relevant or not-get completely stone-walled.

I think both parties are making the same mistakes we have been for decades which put us in the position we’re in today. Having to one-up the other side in extremes.
Bush was a disaster so we said “ Wow, that didn’t work. You know what will definitely fix this? The complete opposite- a super liberal black guy!”
“ Well that didn’t fix our countries problems, so obviously the solution is to take a ever harder turn!”

That clearly didn’t work. So now we’ve resorted to a guy who promises to make everything for everyone!”

Eight years from now we’ll straight up elect Hitler’s reanimated corpse. After that, some entity of pure energy with no concept of gender or material goods.

I don't expect him to achieve everything. But I think it's a better stance to have in terms of negotiation and from a pragmatic standpoint than the kind of things Obama did like unveil an old GOP health care plan from the 90s which they all thought was satanic anyway. I think we'll get something way better with that approach rather than the "caving in from the beginning" approach Obama tried. I think it's a welcome approach that he has bold ideas and that we'll get better things out of it rather than an approach that views compromise and bipartisanship as something that's inherently valuable and noble in and of itself as opposed to a tactic or tool.

He's willing to explore the limits of what's possible rather than let himself be hamstrung by ideas about "norms" and "process" that the Republicans don't care about anyway. That's refreshing.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

We also have to remember Presidents have never really been supposed to design and write legislation anyway. Obviously this hasn't always been the case, but I'm not expecting President Sanders or whoever else is elected to write the laws, just to provide a broad vision, then let congress work on the details.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Oh my god, my Dad just responded to the article [MENTION=19700]Officer Ed Powell[/MENTION] shared on facebook, saying MSNBC-induced nonsense (he watches it religiously; I've thought it was as bad as Fox for years) like "Bernie can't win" and "Bloomberg is going to win the nomination." I pretty much (calmly) destroyed him, discussing media bias as well as silly inconsequential things like national polls and statistical models that far outperformed that idiotic predictions of MSNBC last time around. I explained that yes, Bloomberg might win if Bernie only wins a plurality and sails through based on superdelegates, but that would destroy the Democratic party and hand Trump the nomination. I'm not saying the DNC isn't dumb enough to that, but it's not a scenario he should hope for.

If he were any other candidate, the media would have declared Bernie the frontrunner by now. Much like the Republican field with Trump in 2016, the anti-Bernie folks can't settle on a single candidate and spastically jolt from Biden, to Buttigieg, to Klobuchar to Bloomberg. As these people stay in the race because of ego, I expect Bernie to continue to gain momentum. I mean, Bloomberg? Black people know all about his record and attitude as mayor. He has a lot of money to spend, but that can't make people vote for you. I believe Hillary actually had more money in 2016 than Trump.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

No one: Gosh, I voted for Trump because he's rich, but Bloomberg is also rich and less rude, so i'm going to vote for him.

 

[Nicodemus]

No one: Gosh, I voted for Trump because he's rich, but Bloomberg is also rich and less rude, so i'm going to vote for him.

Don't over/underestimate Americans: There are millions who vote just like that.

 

[Jaguar]

And if you think deficits are high now, just wait for President Sanders. His long and expensive wish list includes health care, housing and college for all, not to mention an ambitious Green New Deal. Sure, some of the money may come from higher taxes, but no one doubts that much of it will be added to the nation’s debt. One estimate pins the cost of Sanders’s proposals at up to $97.5 trillion.

Burn that money Burnie.

 

[ceecee]

Don't over/underestimate Americans: There are millions who vote just like that.

Just like that. I would vote for Trump before I voted for Bloomberg.

 

[Nicodemus]

Just like that. I would vote for Trump before I voted for Bloomberg.

Then you deserve to work in a gulag.

 

[ceecee]

Then you deserve to work in a gulag.

Most people here already have the belief that socialist are communists that work in gulags so I think your opinion a foregone conclusion. My goal is not getting rid of Trump and nothing else. That's the goal of people voting for Bloomberg. Or Pete to a lesser degree. They want civility. They don't want change.

 

[Jaguar]

Most people here already have the belief that socialist are communists.

Well, if it's "most", then you should be able to rattle off a list within seconds.

 

[Nicodemus]

Most people here already have the belief that socialist are communists that work in gulags so I think your opinion a foregone conclusion. My goal is not getting rid of Trump and nothing else. That's the goal of people voting for Bloomberg. Or Pete to a lesser degree. They want civility. They don't want change.

What?

I thought you at least wanted to preserve the idea of a free society...

 

[ceecee]

What?

I thought you at least wanted to preserve the idea of a free society...

I do. I also want to get rid of Trump AND every vestige of neoliberalism that exists in America. That means the vast majority of the two parties, Trump is only one part of that. I want to work to create a true Labor Party in the US. But I'll be busy working in the gulags apparently, even though I actually work for a labor union smh.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

Maybe The Democratic Party Elite Can Actually Stop Bernie

 

[ceecee]

Maybe The Democratic Party Elite Can Actually Stop Bernie

The media, like Trump, says a lot of shit.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

Thread by [MENTION=6046]blake[/MENTION]zeff: The degree to which Michael Bloomberg is using his fortune to fundamentally alter & manipulate U.S. politics to his personal advantage e…

Interesting thread on Bloomberg by a former employee. Trump is so far below Bloomberg's level at being the Evil Oligarch.....

 

[Tellenbach]

I like Bloomberg's innovative approach to campaigning. Just flood the airwaves with ads and crowd out the competition. He doesn't need to compete in a single debate and still be competitive. If it comes down to a brokered convention, it's not going to be Bernie, that's for sure.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

I do. I also want to get rid of Trump AND every vestige of neoliberalism that exists in America. That means the vast majority of the two parties, Trump is only one part of that. I want to work to create a true Labor Party in the US. But I'll be busy working in the gulags apparently, even though I actually work for a labor union smh.

I don't know why I would vote for one crooked Manhattan plutocrat over another. I guess maybe one is a little less unhinged but the concept of either really makes me angry. Bloomberg is actually a worse choice than Joe Biden, if that can be believed.

I expect more from my politics then just "upholding norms."

The media, like Trump, says a lot of shit.

That article's chief claim is that the Republican party is different from the Democratic party because Democratic voters want moderation. What the author doesn't realize is that there's a large amount of people who have voted Democratic that are rather sick of the Democratic establishment and is tired of their useless incompetence and poor judgement. Not all Democratic voters are obsessed with "norms", "civility", and "compromise" because they realize that obsessing about those things have gotten us nowhere, unless you think enabling the growth of neo-fascism is a shining achievement.