2020 Democratic Party primary thread

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Obviously, poor nations can't afford to pay $100K for a cancer medication or $20,000 for an emergency room visit. If no one can pay $100K for medication, the manufacturer won't charge that amount for it.

Capitalism doesn't work that way.

 

[Virtual ghost]

By that logic, humans are indefinitely dependent on something. Which imo, is a given. Which is why I prefer potential, over standard. Because at least then, things can go beyond expectation. I believe humans are far more capable in what they can do for themselves, and assistance only breeds weakness and reliance.

Yes, it is a given and that is why it is silly that you claim superiority since none of us is really independent. The difference is that I don't have a fundamental problem with that.



Btw. do I strike you as weak minded here in the mix with other Americans ? (and as I said in my environment there is much more "socialism" than in USA)

In my book I think you are judging this in a wrong way, because you are projecting your own culture into certain "elements". Because in raw capitalism you indeed have to give with strings attached in order to get plenty of money. Which you have to gain in order to live and to be loved or whatever. In HC capitalism there really is no "just because it should be that way" and that can lead to the loss of potential. Which is also linked to why most of you feel like shit good amount of time, since you are all constantly in mutual competition and often form contact out of interest. However because of this you often can't form more honest relationships with environment and then you start to lose productivity ... and then all hell brakes lose. Since the system doesn't allow any kind of honest reset or honest help and therefore you have to run around depressed. What then often leads into the crash of the potential. To me the entire modern American culture of going to a therapist looks as an attempt of buying a friendship, while here we traditionally do this for free. It is up to your family and friends to patch you up emotionally ... just because that is how it should be. After all we generally trust each other enough to pay medical bills to each other. What is actually pretty good foundation for "potential".

 

[Virtual ghost]

Capitalism doesn't work that way.

Actually that is how it should work. However it can turn out that is better to concentrate on those that can actually pay that amount.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Actually that is how it should work. However it can turn out that is better to concentrate on those that can actually pay that amount.

Really? Don't the laws of supply and demand dictate a high price for something in higher demand?

It certainly doesn't actually work that way. Healthcare doesn't starting getting cheaper just because people can't afford it, and I don't think it's because of Medicare and Medicaid.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Really? Don't the laws of supply and demand dictate a high price for something in higher demand?

I don't know, I never lived in what would typical Americans consider textbook Capitalism. Actually I never payed a dollar to private healthcare insurance, if my memory serves me well.


I mean the logic is that someone will desire to "gather" money even from those that can pay less. But that really doesn't have to be the case due to many reasons/circumstances.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

That everyone and their mother already knows. FFS, Bernie yammers on about it every day. Turn on the TV once in awhile. Btw, what are you going to do every time someone uses the word "socialist" without "democratic" in front of it - accuse them of not knowing the difference? Tell Amy that and see how far it gets you.

Amy Klobuchar: "I Am Troubled By Having A Socialist Lead Our Ticket" | Video | RealClearPolitics

Noted, I'll remember how clear you are on this the next time you throw a tantrum and express strong sentiments such as "I'll never vote socialist"

 

[SearchingforPeace]

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[Jaguar]

Noted, I'll remember how clear you are on this the next time you throw a tantrum and express strong sentiments such as "I'll never vote socialist"

I'll never vote socialist.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

I'll never vote socialist.

 

[Jaguar]

You might want to rethink the hair. It's not a good look for you.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Take Sanders seriously, he's led Trump in national polls for 5 years

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Take Sanders seriously, he's led Trump in national polls for 5 years

Republicans are gonna make the same mistake with him the Democrats made with Trump. I'm ok with the irony.

The biggest threat Sanders faces is not Republicans but "stop Sanders Democrats", many of whom are the same people who encouraged Donald Trump to win the nomination because he wasn't "strategically challenging." I find it rather irritating that they have the gall to weigh in on such matters after they were so complacent about Trump the first time around. It's almost like they consider Sanders to be a bigger threat to the country than Donald Trump.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Republicans are gonna make the same mistake with him the Democrats made with Trump. I'm ok with the irony.

I know. It would be really delightful if that happened.

 

[Jaguar]

If you believe in saving democracy, the courts and the planet, and reversing the unrepentant cruelty, corruption and carelessness that define the current administration, you have a duty to at least consider the candidacy of the most popular senator in America

The most popular senator in America. Popular. Who gives a shit about popu-fucking-larity?

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

The most popular senator in America. Popular. Who gives a shit about popu-fucking-larity?

calm your tits

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

The most popular senator in America. Popular. Who gives a shit about popu-fucking-larity?

Uh, kind of matters in a democracy. Unless you find such a concept inconvenient, which makes you no better than a Republican.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

Last year, Pete Buttigieg himself made a solid yet obvious point. “If we embrace a conservative agenda, you know what they're going to do?” he said. Republicans will say "we’re a bunch of crazy socialists. So let’s stand up for the right policy, go up there and defend it.”

If every Democrat is going to be called a socialist, maybe the one who has spent decades dealing with this charge is our best choice. And given that 4 in 10 American adults can’t afford a$400 emergency, you can argue that the best candidate to run against Trump — a walking monument to the dangers of inherited wealth — is a candidate who has spent decades warning against the evils of an economy where the top 0.1% own as much as the bottom 90%.

Wow, Mayor Pete says exactly the same thing I said yesterday. Maybe that's why people can't commit to him and are looking at Klobuchar or Bloomberg as the "stop sanders" choice.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Uh, kind of matters in a democracy. Unless you find such a concept inconvenient, which makes you no better than a Republican.

I'd argue it's doubly important with senators, considering how unpopular congress (in general) is with people of all parties.

Bernie does have a wide appeal in that regard. That's rare and remarkable with congresspeople. Even the big ones like Teddy Kennedy tended to only be popular with voters on one side of the aisle.

 

[Jaguar]

calm your tits

Join a cult.

Uh, kind of matters in a democracy.

If one is plastic, sure.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Wow, Mayor Pete says exactly the same thing I said yesterday. Maybe that's why people can't commit to him and are looking at Klobuchar or Bloomberg as the "stop sanders" choice.

It is a good point.

I really think people overestimate how much that label works in republican candidates' favor beyond riling their core supporters who likely weren't going to vote democratic in the first place.