2020 Democratic Party primary thread

[Virtual ghost]

To be honest I find it kinda ironic that the biggest amount of young people are very excited about the oldest guy on "the menu".

 

[Jaguar]

What can I say, they prefer the crust around the edges.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Williamson is officially out it seems.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Williamson is officially out it seems.

Booker as well.

 

[ceecee]

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America doesn't have paid leave because "we're pathologically anti-woman, anti-family, and we treat everyone like their [only value is] their economic output."

Naturally this will be viewed as some kind of soft girly pander to women voters but it's honest.

 

[Red Herring]

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Naturally this will be viewed as some kind of soft girly pander to women voters but it's honest.

The funny thing is that over here in Germany (and many other European countries) paid maternal/parental leave is a conservative project as it is considered a family-friendly incentive to stay at home. Progressives tend to focus more on subsidizing and expanding daycare centers to make it easier for women to return to work and remain financially independent.

Neither progressives nor conservatives see a problem with laws and tax money being used to foster their favored social model. That's just a given outsider America.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

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Naturally this will be viewed as some kind of soft girly pander to women voters but it's honest.

That was sort of a basis of the argument for UBI in the first place. Some stay-at-home wife of a rich broker is still financially dependent on him, so a monthly income allows more people like that to achieve financial independence.

Not sure I agree the UBI needs to be something rich people earn, I'd keep it to subsidizing the lower classes, but I understand the basis of such arguments.

 

[Virtual ghost]

The funny thing is that over here in Germany (and many other European countries) paid maternal/parental leave is a conservative project as it is considered a family-friendly incentive to stay at home. Progressives tend to focus more on subsidizing and expanding daycare centers to make it easier for women to return to work and remain financially independent.

Neither progressives nor conservatives see a problem with laws and tax money being used to foster their favored social model. That's just a given outsider America.

If I may add ....


Here it is perhaps even more radical. This kind of stuff is bordering on "National security" since the wars and dictatorships have damaged our demography and therefore limiting this is a direct attack on the state and the nation. From what I understood today we currently got EU commission that for the first time has a seat for the person that is into repairing of demography. But the seat was actually given to my country since we have experiences and measures for situations with "demography under siege", what is becoming a problem all over EU. Therefore here being "mother friendly" is textbook conservative point of view, benefits included.

 

[Red Herring]

If I may add ....


Here it is perhaps even more radical. This kind of stuff is bordering on "National security" since the wars and dictatorships have damaged our demography and therefore limiting this is a direct attack on the state and the nation. From what I understood today we currently got EU commission that for the first time has a seat for the person that is into repairing of demography. But the seat was actually given to my country since we have experiences and measures for situations with "demography under siege", what is becoming a problem all over EU. Therefore here being "mother friendly" is textbook conservative point of view, benefits included.

Many European countries face such challenges. Life expectency is high, not enough children are being born and so societies get older and older which places a great burden on pension and healthcare systems. The two solutions are net migration and more family friendly welfare and labor laws.

 

[Virtual ghost]

Many European countries face such challenges. Life expectency is high, not enough children are being born and so societies get older and older which places a great burden on pension and healthcare systems. The two solutions are net migration and more family friendly welfare and labor laws.

I know, but here this is extra expressed due to "recent history". While this is evidently our biggest economic problem, which if we solve pretty much everything else in economy will balance itself out. While the prime argument of anti EU people is that young people are leaving for western Europe, which is generally ahead in most things regarding the quality of life. The idea of banning work on Sunday that I linked recently is designed exactly so that at least on Sunday mothers can be at home with the kids, otherwise they aren't their parent in way. Here just about everything spins around this issue since in many parts of the country we have "unnatural demography".

 

[Virtual ghost]

I am getting the impression that warren is perhaps deliberately trying to spill votes to Bernie. Since she knows she is probably done, so she is sinking herself because most of her voters will go to Bernie as she crashes.


I don't know, all of this just doesn't "feel natural".

 

[anticlimatic]

I am getting the impression that warren is perhaps deliberately trying to spill votes to Bernie. Since she knows she is probably done, so she is sinking herself because most of her voters will go to Bernie as she crashes.

I don't know, all of this just doesn't "feel natural".

CNN went after Bernie with such a vengeance you'd almost think he was Donald Trump. Clearly the elites put them on the same risky ground.

 

[Virtual ghost]

CNN went after Bernie with such a vengeance you'd almost think he was Donald Trump. Clearly the elites put them on the same risky ground.

They are very different people but they are both fundamentally anti-mainstream politicians. Each in it's own way.
I know, maybe they are truly out of ammo and now they are asking warren to do "stupid things" for free media coverage .... it is hard to say at this point.

 

[Jaguar]

CNN went after Bernie with such a vengeance you'd almost think he was Donald Trump. Clearly the elites put them on the same risky ground.

Abby Phillip is her name, and I certainly wouldn't equate her idiotic behavior last night with CNN as a whole. I didn't see a problem with Wolf Blitzer.

 

[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

CNN went after Bernie with such a vengeance you'd almost think he was Donald Trump. Clearly the elites put them on the same risky ground.

Mainstream media doesn't like Bernie either. They also hated Howard Dean when he ran in 2004.

If Bernie wins the primary, they'll probably start being more pro-Trump. I think they'd probably prefer Trump to Bernie.

 

[Jaguar]

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[Julius_Van_Der_Beak]

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He lacked the electability of John Kerry.

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

He lacked the electability of John Kerry.

Other than Clark, I found Dean the only "electable" one of the 2004 bunch.

The scream was sort of a refreshing moment, an instance of a candidate appearing a little more human. I do remember the reactions of anchors and pundits though. A collective, slightly reserved scoff and attempt to paint him as a goofball lunatic, when in reality Dean was a fairly middle-of-the-road, level headed centrist who just happened to disagree with the neolib establishment on the Iraq War (we forget that a majority of congressional democrats at that time supported).

 

[Jaguar]

He lacked the electability of John Kerry.

Frankly, I've frequently found his comments to be eloquent. Still one of my favorite speeches in history:

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

Herman Munster aka skinny Jay Leno