Trump 2020

[Maou]

Good to hear you endorse getting rid of the electoral college.

That is a nice stretch of logic pulled out of no where. My point is that his views tend to be extreme, and does not accurately represent the majority of Americans, not just right or left leaning folks. Because those who vote only make up approximately half of all people within voting age. I am an avid supporter of the electoral collage, because I do not believe in mob rule. It gives less populated states equality.

 

[Jaguar]

According to Alexander Hamilton, the Electoral College is if "not perfect, it is at least excellent," because it ensured "that the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications [...]"

He never met Century 21 real estate agent, Trump.

 

[ceecee]

have the the guy kidnapped.

That already happened. But it's a boring story.

Muntadhar al-Zaidi ran for office and won in 2018 stating the obvious - "America and Iran are the reasons for the tension in Iraq" and "We have American troops under the name of 'consultants' - we don’t accept their presence in Iraq"

 

[Deprecator]

Not a worshipper, but I'm game to meet your avalanche of his misdeeds with an avalanche of rationalizations/dismissals.

I like how I have multiple pro-Trump threads on this forum articulating why people are happy that we voted for Trump and why he's so heavily favored to win 2020 -- and instead of trying to address any of the points mentioned he instead wants to waltz in here and ask if anyone could address his extensive list of "everything Trump's said and done in the last 3 years".

In any event I can safely say that if it's anything like his "list" on other forums then virtually all his points can be very easily addressed (if not outright dismissed as factually inaccurate), and then afterward I'm guessing he'll only continue his verifiable trend of getting all triggered and deleting his posts.

 

[Nicodemus]

I am an avid supporter of the electoral collage, because I do not believe in mob rule. It gives less populated states equality.

This argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

 

[Despotic Ocelot]

Trump isn't a ducker.

Here's Trump ducking from someone attempting to get on the stage and attack him. And here's Trump ducking an eagle who retaliated against him taking a picture with it as if Trump cares about the constitution or the national animal.

Also here's the same exact situation happening to Bernie, someone trying to run up on stage and attack him... and Bernie didn't even flinch or move. When asked about it later, he said "I've been around a long time. We're taking on the establishment which is no joking matter. It takes a lot to scare me"

And here's Trump being put on the spot & asked to debate Bernie, to which he agreed to (but gave caveats he thought no one would provide) (of course while also talking tons of shit about how he'd kick his ass), then people quickly agreed to the monetary caveats, and then Trump turned straight chickenshit and ducked out of (ie "Trump isn't a ducker"), which Bernie mocked the hell out of here.

I highly recommend watching Bernie mocking him for chickening out because Bernie rarely does stuff like that, and he really goes all in on it there lol.

 

[anticlimatic]

Here's Trump ducking from someone attempting to get on the stage and attack him. And here's Trump ducking an eagle who retaliated against him taking a picture with it as if Trump cares about the constitution or the national animal. Also here's the same exact situation happening to Bernie, someone trying to run up on stage and attack him... and Bernie didn't even flinch or move. When asked about it later, he said "I've been around a long time. We're taking on the establishment which is no joking matter. It takes a lot to scare me" And here's Trump being put on the spot & asked to debate Bernie, to which he agreed to (but gave caveats he thought no one would provide) (of course while also talking tons of shit about how he'd kick his ass), then people quickly agreed to the monetary caveats, and then Trump turned straight chickenshit and ducked out of (ie "Trump isn't a ducker"), which Bernie mocked the hell out of here. I highly recommend watching Bernie mocking him for chickening out because Bernie rarely does stuff like that, and he really goes all in on it there lol.

I don't see any ducking going on here, just that weird Tennessee slide maneuver for the eagle. I'm not sure his legs bend at the knees....

 

[anticlimatic]

This argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

It makes perfect sense.

 

[anticlimatic]

I like how I have multiple pro-Trump threads on this forum articulating why people are happy that we voted for Trump and why he's so heavily favored to win 2020 -- and instead of trying to address any of the points mentioned he instead wants to waltz in here and ask if anyone could address his extensive list of "everything Trump's said and done in the last 3 years". In any event I can safely say that if it's anything like his "list" on other forums then virtually all his points can be very easily addressed (if not outright dismissed as factually inaccurate), and then afterward I'm guessing he'll only continue his verifiable trend of getting all triggered and deleting his posts.

He's trying to make some science happen. You might have to add some data to the experiment if my responses turn out to be as anticlimactic as I'm already fearing.

 

[Despotic Ocelot]

That is a nice stretch of logic pulled out of no where. My point is that his views tend to be extreme, and does not accurately represent the majority of Americans, not just right or left leaning folks.

It doesn't? Let me put the statement I think you are referring to, just to be sure what's being replied to here.

"Likability is not the issue here. He is a deranged psychopath and a danger to democracy. That is why he must be removed"​

That's the statement in which you posted the "Not a majority of Americans" to. You don't think a majority of Americans see the president as a psychopath?

Every single doctors' association in the country, from the largest to the smallest, have all said he unequivocally shows that he has dementia, narcissism, and pathological lying. Every single person that works for him, whether now or in the past, corroborated this.

The polls have all showed this, not just from the 2016 campaign to today, but even in 2012 when he attempted a run that year while he was doing the whole 'birther' thing... all of the polls throughout all of that time have shown that a majority of the people think he is a crazy person (he actually holds the polling record for most disliked person in history, second place is held by Hillary Clinton)

The evangelical magazine Christianity Today just came out the other day saying he's a crazy person who needs to be removed from office. The magazine was started by Billy Graham, whose son Franklin Graham campaigned with Trump extensively in 2016.

It is such common knowledge that he's a batshit dementia-having crazy person that you (meaning Trump worshippers in general) commonly decry how "everyone hates Trump" and "boo hoo, everyone thinks that". Well if everyone thinks that, then it fundamentally contradicts your statement that the opinion is not held by a majority of Americans.

 

[Deprecator]

He's trying to make some science happen.

Yes, and you know he's super serious about it when he's even willing to cite Christianity Today.

 

[Deprecator]

I don't think your posts are anything to be ashamed of -- if you stop deleting them you'll eventually reach a count of 50, and then you can teach us even more about the most famous of all Christian magazines in VC.

 

[Despotic Ocelot]

I don't see any ducking going on here, just that weird Tennessee slide maneuver for the eagle. I'm not sure his legs bend at the knees....

So ducking is meant in a strictly literal sense, not in a 'cowardly fearful' sense. I was assuming it was meant as the former... I didn't otherwise see the reason behind pointing out "Trump isn't a ducker". That seems an unimportant distinction to make, if not being made to distinguish him as 'not cowardly fearful'.

There was a third ducking in the post, the ducking of the debate with Bernie, but oh well that was not regarding literal ducking.


edited to add... that post was not meant in a serious way as if to present some seriously-meant debate topic. I just posted that because it's funny that I can bring up anyone (politically-speaking) doing anything at any time, no matter how trivial or unimportant the suggestion/topic is... so to reply to a post like "Trump isn't a ducker" with "Here's Trump ducking" is funny lol. That's not supposed to be tied to some actual serious debate point, which you seem to be thinking here.

That's why the first version of that post had a reference to me bringing up a comment a news host said to Tulsi Gabbard about whether she's afraid Hillary will end her political career... because Tulsi herself didn't remember which network it was on or what was said, but I did, and I was laughing at how however minuscule a thing might be I could bring it up. But it looks like the absence of this part of the post made it difficult to see the post as a 'for shits & giggles' post that it was.

 

[Maou]

It doesn't? Let me put the statement I think you are referring to, just to be sure what's being replied to here.

"Likability is not the issue here. He is a deranged psychopath and a danger to democracy. That is why he must be removed"​

That's the statement in which you posted the "Not a majority of Americans" to. You don't think a majority of Americans see the president as a psychopath?

Every single doctors' association in the country, from the largest to the smallest, have all said he unequivocally shows that he has dementia, narcissism, and pathological lying. Every single person that works for him, whether now or in the past, corroborated this.

The polls have all showed this, not just from the 2016 campaign to today, but even in 2012 when he attempted a run that year while he was doing the whole 'birther' thing... all of the polls throughout all of that time have shown that a majority of the people think he is a crazy person (he actually holds the polling record for most disliked person in history, second place is held by Hillary Clinton)

The evangelical magazine Christianity Today just came out the other day saying he's a crazy person who needs to be removed from office. The magazine was started by Billy Graham, whose son Franklin Graham campaigned with Trump extensively in 2016.

It is such common knowledge that he's a batshit dementia-having crazy person that you (meaning Trump worshippers in general) commonly decry how "everyone hates Trump" and "boo hoo, everyone thinks that". Well if everyone thinks that, then it fundamentally contradicts your statement that the opinion is not held by a majority of Americans.

I will bold things, as I address them.

The first on him being a "derange psychopath" is purely opinionated, as none of the claims have been made on a personal level, its purely speculation and interpretation from an outsider perspective. Anyone with two braincells can see that people are throwing around their psychological knowledge weight for attention, and cashing in on the money that talking about Trump produces as political brownie points. It is in no way, credible.

Associations, or individuals? You say associations, but an association does not represent the entirely of each individuals positions. This is entirely politics and propaganda set up to garner more funding.

Once again, does not represent the base of Christian voters, and is purely opinionated. Please note how the only time Leftists consider "Christian opinions" as anything relevant, in the moment they side with any liberal. It is entirely emotionally manipulative. If you side with Christians only when it favors you, you are a piece of shit. End of story.

Nope, just within your media watching bubble. There are more people who are indifferent or like Trump, than hate him. It is why he was elected in the first place.

 

[Maou]

Fundamentalist evangelical Christians are Trump's strongest base of support, in case anyone has forgotten.

Christianity Today the most well-known Christian magazine... started by Billy Graham, most well-known pastor, whose son Franklin Graham was one of Trump's top surrogates of last 3 years.

Hence it's pertinence to the post I was replying to... which, if it would get replied to directly, I would not have to re-sum up what was said and for what reason.

No they aren't, and it is why you will lose the election come 2020.

 

[Maou]

I know I said I'd leave it there, but just had to add one more point of reference...

So according to him the vast majority of America is not left, which led me to refer to the electoral college, ie "If you believe that, then why not get rid of the electoral college?" Here's some numbers...

As it stands now, California, with a population of 40 million - has two senators. Wyoming, with a population of 577,000 - has two senators.

If California was a country, it's economy would make it the 5th larges country in the world. And it's representation in the senate is equal to a state with a smaller population than CHICAGO??​

Do the math for the rest of the states. A gigantic litany of sparsely-populated rural states equal the senatorial representation of all the places that actually have people in it. So all the states with people get two senators each... and all the empty land gets two senators each.

What would happen if states were granted senators as a percentage of the total American population that they hold? What would the senate look like then? Want to guess who would hold the most power?

Do you honestly believe, that states trying to manage their own, should be subjected to the same non-democratic policies that larger states produce? The entire point of hte electoral college is to ensure each state has equal say in how the federal government affects them. Its essentially an agreement among small states (countries as you like to say) in how those laws effect them. Have you no remorse or sympathy for how much cities destroy the livelihoods of middle america, or rural states? Have you no knowledge of how different their cultures, and needs are different than cities? Bro, you need to get out more. You are speaking some fatalistically. Under no government system, should any body of people be forced to do things against what is better for them. Thus, we have the electoral collage to assure the rural communies they cant be overrun by retarded liberal city policies.

 

[anticlimatic]

So ducking is meant in a strictly literal sense, not in a 'cowardly fearful' sense. I was assuming it was meant as the former... I didn't otherwise see the reason behind pointing out "Trump isn't a ducker". That seems an unimportant distinction to make, if not being made to distinguish him as 'not cowardly fearful'. There was a third ducking in the post, the ducking of the debate with Bernie, but oh well that was not regarding literal ducking. edited to add... that post was not meant in a serious way as if to present some seriously-meant debate topic. I just posted that because it's funny that I can bring up anyone (politically-speaking) doing anything at any time, no matter how trivial or unimportant the suggestion/topic is... so to reply to a post like "Trump isn't a ducker" with "Here's Trump ducking" is funny lol. That's not supposed to be tied to some actual serious debate point, which you seem to be thinking here. That's why the first version of that post had a reference to me bringing up a comment a news host said to Tulsi Gabbard about whether she's afraid Hillary will end her political career... because Tulsi herself didn't remember which network it was on or what was said, but I did, and I was laughing at how however minuscule a thing might be I could bring it up. But it looks like the absence of this part of the post made it difficult to see the post as a 'for shits & giggles' post that it was.

You weren't wrong when you thought I meant more than just physical ducking, though I was more referring to Trumps lack of being a- how jag put it- "good sport." He loves conflict and is most at home in a fight (why this impeachment business will help him so much), he holds grudges, takes things personal, and never forgets a slight. As to his immediate reaction to things (not to be confused with his seemingly immediate twitter reactions), I can't as an INTP fault anyone for initially stepping back to think for a minute when presented with a new and unexpected threat. I can't dodge like Dubya either. Not enough Se

 

[Despotic Ocelot]

I will bold things, as I address them.

The first on him being a "derange psychopath" is purely opinionated, as none of the claims have been made on a personal level, its purely speculation and interpretation from an outsider perspective.

Ok, let's get specific here so as to convey that this is not an opinion.

He has full blown narcissistic personality disorder, a disorder that has exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration, and a lack of empathy toward other people. The last trait in particular, which Trump has an extreme overabundance of, is a trait sociopaths also have.

He has dementia, which decreases the ability to think, memory, speech problems, and wandering/restlessness.

He is a pathological liar, which is a disorder that causes habitual, unable-to-stop lying. 12,000 lies in three years... half the time for shit that doesn't matter - watch this and explain to me why, or how.

He also is unable to read (CLICK), (CLICK), although it's unknown if that's due to him having some disorder preventing him from being able to read, or if it's him just not wanting to learn (and he used his office to threaten his schools to not release his records)

Associations, or individuals? You say associations, but an association does not represent the entirely of each individuals positions. This is entirely politics and propaganda set up to garner more funding.

Associations.

You say associations, but an association does not represent the entirely of each individuals positions. This is entirely politics and propaganda set up to garner more funding.

Individuals adhere to the well-documented & delineated definitions for the various kinds of disorders which the association refers to. When the association refers to dementia, etc, they are referring to something specific with explicitly-stated definitions, not 'an opinion'.

Moreover (and I knew this would be conspicuously skipped over) to restate what I said this in the post - everyone who currently works for Trump, or used to work for Trump, has corroborated said sociopathy and mental retardation. The accounts are ENDLESS, whether it be from all his cabinet members, to his administration officials, to his 2016 campaign staff, to the guy who wrote The Art of the Deal & had to be around Trump for 18 months for that book, to everyone he has dealt with from heads of state, NATO, etc... the shitton of tell-all books from former members of his administration, etc... everyone. has. said. this. this. is. reality. It's not an 'unfair scheme by fake news media'. This is real. These are facts.

Perhaps you, as a sycophant who is under the condition known as cult of personality, might not see anything wrong with him if you were to work for him. You might be that person who scarfs down his farts every single day and say "Please sir may I have another". But everyone else (who he personally picked!! not 'deep state' people) has all said "This dude is batshit crazy"

Once again, does not represent the base of Christian voters, and is purely opinionated.

Sigh (puts face in palm) It's tedious having to very slowly explain things that, to most people, are self-explanatory and do not need additional explanation.

Ok... at no point did I say "Christianity Today represents all Christian voters". That is not the basis of what I said, which is why it does not appear anywhere or is even implied.

You said "A majority of Americans do not hold this view". I gave a counterpoint in which I included the aforementioned "every doctors' association", the aforementioned "everyone who has ever worked with him, currently or former", and all the polling in the last 3 years.

After all those points, at the end, I included the statement from Christianity Today. This is something known as 'insult to injury' - that's a situation wherein, after one has already incurred ginormous/excessive losses, you get this last middle finger thrown at you after you've already been nuclear bombed to death. The irony being "After two dozen nuclear bombs, what the hell does a middle finger do, and yet you get it anyway"

The 'two dozen nuclear bombs' in this case would be the 1) everyone who currently or formerly worked for Trump 2) every poll in the last 3 years 3) all the doctors' associations.

And then comes "And Christianity Today said he should be removed from office", which makes it an insult to injury because fundamentalist evangelical Christians are his strongest base of support. They ain't goin' anywhere, them's the very definition of 'mindless cult' - the last thing you'd expect to see is "Christian (fill in blank) denounces Trump" - and then what happens? The most well-known Christian magazine, started by the most well-known pastor, Billy Graham, they come out and say "Enough of this, the dude is batshit crazy"

It's called irony. It's called insult to injury.

If it makes you feel better, Franklin Graham - Billy Graham's son who has been one of Trump's most vocal cult members - has loudly denounced Christianity Today's statement, and is angry that they did that. So don't worry dude... there's still plenty of others to be in the cult with you.

 

[Tomb1]

ownage

 

[Maou]

Ok, let's get specific here so as to convey that this is not an opinion.

He has full blown narcissistic personality disorder, a disorder that has exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration, and a lack of empathy toward other people. The last trait in particular, which Trump has an extreme overabundance of, is a trait sociopaths also have.

He has dementia, which decreases the ability to think, memory, speech problems, and wandering/restlessness.

He is a pathological liar, which is a disorder that causes habitual, unable-to-stop lying.

He also is unable to read (CLICK), (CLICK), although it's unknown if that's due to him having some disorder preventing him from being able to read, or if it's him just not wanting to learn (and he used his office to threaten his schools to not release his records)



Associations.



Individuals adhere to the well-documented & delineated definitions for the various kinds of disorders which the association refers to. When the association refers to dementia, etc, they are referring to something specific with explicitly-stated definitions, not 'an opinion'.

Moreover (and I knew this would be conspicuously skipped over) to restate what I said this in the post - everyone who currently works for Trump, or used to work for Trump, has corroborated said sociopathy and mental retardation. The accounts are ENDLESS, whether it be from all his cabinet members, to his administration officials, to his 2016 campaign staff, to the guy who wrote The Art of the Deal & had to be around Trump for 18 months for that book, to everyone he has dealt with from heads of state, NATO, etc... the shitton of tell-all books from former members of his administration, etc... everyone. has. said. this. this. is. reality. It's not an 'unfair scheme by fake news media'. This is real. These are facts.

Perhaps you, as a sycophant who is under the condition known as cult of personality, might not see anything wrong with him if you were to work for him. You might be that person who scarfs down his farts every single day and say "Please sir may I have another". But everyone else (who he personally picked!! not 'deep state' people) has all said "This dude is batshit crazy"



Sigh (puts face in palm) It's tedious having to very slowly explain things that, to most people, are self-explanatory and do not need additional explanation.

Ok... at no point did I say "Christianity Today represents all Christian voters". That is not the basis of what I said, which is why it does not appear anywhere or is even implied.

You said "A majority of Americans do not hold this view". I gave a counterpoint in which I included the aforementioned "every doctors' association", the aforementioned "everyone who has ever worked with him, currently or former", and all the polling in the last 3 years.

After all those points, at the end, I included the statement from Christianity Today. This is something known as 'insult to injury' - that's a situation wherein, after one has already incurred ginormous/excessive losses, you get this last middle finger thrown at you after you've already been nuclear bombed to death. The irony being "After two dozen nuclear bombs, what the hell does a middle finger do, and yet you get it anyway"

The 'two dozen nuclear bombs' in this case would be the 1) everyone who currently or formerly worked for Trump 2) every poll in the last 3 years 3) all the doctors' associations.

And then comes "And Christianity Today said he should be removed from office", which makes it an insult to injury because fundamentalist evangelical Christians are his strongest base of support. They ain't goin' anywhere, them's the very definition of 'mindless cult' - the last thing you'd expect to see is "Christian (fill in blank) denounces Trump" - and then what happens? The most well-known Christian magazine, started by the most well-known pastor, Billy Graham, they come out and say "Enough of this, the dude is batshit crazy"

It's called irony. It's called insult to injury.

If it makes you feel better, Franklin Graham - Billy Graham's son who has been one of Trump's most vocal cult members - has loudly denounced Christianity Today's statement, and is angry that they did that. So don't worry dude... there's still plenty of others to be in the cult with you.

As per last reply...

The first bolded, is still all opinion. Any weight that lying can be attributed is entirely hyperbolic and non usual in any political spectrum.

Individuals per say, that have zero experience in political or psychological matters. Try again.

It is like money isn't in your calculations. You really think everyone is a hero? You really think no one is watching out for themselves. Your blatant self-righteousness is obvious. And your disregard for human nature, even more so. These people never cared about the government, like the Democrats think they do. Most people are in it for personal gain, and they have nothing to lose from siding with anyone that doesn't puts them in the target or spotlight. Use your brain.

Doesn't matter what you said, it is what you implied, as it is required to hold any credible argument. No matter what association you espout, doesn't mean it holds the opinions of Americans. This is a democracy, not a technocracy.