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The Dangerous Case Of Donald Trump

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Tell me, what do you believe is so powerful about the USA? I'm an American and my idea of power isn't what is going on here. Other countries spend about half as much per person on healthcare as the U.S. spends and the gap will, no doubt, grow even wider as the years march on. My country is not solving problems, it is creating problems. And if it stays on this drunken course, frankly, I see a nation with an end result of self-destruction. We have people running for president who want to reward failure and penalize success. I do not. We have people who would rather bitch about inequality than actually give a shit about quality. Yes, we have a problem. I call it a cancerous tumor. And I'd like to grab a scalpel and cut it out. When it gets to the point where some don't care whether or not a nation is creating anything of value, but instead cares more about who owns more valuables from what they have created, we have become rudderless. We are lost.

Powerful country? Not to me.


When you live outside of America you often get served this hype that this is the best country ever (what is the case in America as well). Therefore when none American sees that this country struggles even with stuff that some other countries solved a while ago you are left in a "Santa isn't real" moment. What especially stays with you because American entertainment is pretty much everywhere and it holds this hype. With nations like mine this is extra brutal, we LITERALLY blew up the system and caused a full scale war which is the biggest one Europe saw since WW2 just so that we can be more like America. Only to realize that Santa is in fact guy named Greg and he works as Santa since he can't live from his retirement, which he earned as a bus driver. This is severe cultural shock and now people are confused, the more we westernize the more unhappy people we have. What created very big cultural doubts in "What do we do now?" department. With pretty much every none American you can find here and especially with Europeans you can sense a certain disappointment with poverty and chaos in USA. Especially since even what USA did right it mostly messed up over last two decades. I mean with spending time here I lost some of the illusions as well and realized that my country isn't nearly as bad as some people claim.



But what I still find impressive are long bridges and very high buildings. Guns are kinda cool but a double edged sword. Still the largest GDP in the world (even if it is surely full of "bubbles"), I have enjoyed some of your entertainment over the years, large open spaces and wilds (I love to hike). You tuned a number of nations into a good places for a living until you started to do stupid stuff around the map a few decades ago. You are founder of many global institution that made the difference. First man on the moon is yours. I mean there are really stuff to be proud of but it seem that someone has to get their hands really dirty and pump out all the shit that pilled on one another. Which is exactly why I claim the business as usual will not really work here.




Inequality ?
The classic Capitalism is dead since globalization and digitalization killed it and economy is no longer zero sum game for a nation since you have large trade and competitions between distant nations. Therefore those that master the trade and holes will probably have the biggest income. In America there surely is inequality problem since you have endless people whose job someone overseas can do equally or better for 5% of the price (and have a living based on that). This is simply unfair since no tax cuts or extra effort can really solve this big of a gap. Therefore when someone makes a career in importing all those cheap stuff he is kind of a jerk market wise. Therefore after this there is no need that anyone really produces anything and everyone should just switch to trade. What is what happened for the most part but now you have dependent country in which most don't know how to fix physical stuff since industry is mostly out of the loop. Plus on the top of that someone thinks that it is good idea to reduce taxes for the traders of foreign goods so that most of environment doesn't see any of the money made by overseas production.

Personally I never realized why this word "inequality" triggers so many people, especially since it talks about fairness. Even if it is kinda clumsy choice of words for what it is going on here. I presume this has something about being labeled as "weaker side" or people who use the term frequently. Therefore until something is done about this inequality there will hardly be much more quality, since making stuff in USA is no longer really profitable and many are too broke for expensive locally made stuff. Since the circle is simply broken and this will not fix itself and this is where China has royally screwed you. Because it convinced the top of America that it is ok to sell your "soul" for large extra profit and that is the key flaw of completely unregulated capitalism - Everything is for sale. Inside a nation this can perhaps work to some degree but globally you will surely have clear winners and losers. Especially since winners position towards third countries will change and that further tilts the game.


For example take a look at USA-CHINA-CROATIA triangle: The extra profit that China makes with USA it can use to tilt Croatia to it's side with what are massive investments for this small country. Especially since there is this crisis that "Santa isn't real" and perhaps we should return some things back towards socialism. The thing is that by exporting industry all the countries that we before dependent on you are now dependent on China for manufacture. Plus even stuff that you just produce in China many not do well in Croatia. Because most of China stuff is of questionable quality and therefore it often makes more sense to buy Chinese product from China than American from China because the first one doesn't have a middle man (this is how iPhone basically crashed in my country, judging by my experiences). After all if I want real quality I will go with German product (or at least Czech or Polish product). However since China managed to suck so much money out of USA even those trademarks are now often owned by China. Especially since those countries also have "Santa isn't real problem". What in the end opens the question was freedom of private investors really worth of this global chaos in which China basically bought the world ? Which is where globalism, neoliberalism or however you want to call it failed in it's task. Due to the greed people forgot that they are fueling authoritarian government instead just one more private business. Therefore now the biggest fish in the tank is authoritarian government and the whole "game" is messed up. (and that is unfair aka "unequal")





This came larger than expected. :)
 

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Since the circle is simply broken and this will not fix itself and this is where China has royally screwed you. Because it convinced the top of America that it is ok to sell your "soul" for large extra profit and that is the key flaw of completely unregulated capitalism - Everything is for sale.

I have a major problem with that type of thinking. It is not my own. If you recall, I mentioned to you my concerns about U.S. dependency on China for medications. To put a country like mine in that kind of position with China should be viewed as a national security threat. Not knowing if the medication you put in your mouth is safe, or does the job effectively, is something I would expect in any other country except the USA. Santa just got identified as an incompetent twit. Screw him. Worse still, China has a plan to become the world's pharmacy by 2025 and with that will come control. They know what they are doing. America does not. And with this asshole in the White House who is the farthest thing from a long-term strategic planner you can find, we may very well end up at the point of no return. If we aren't there already.


For example take a look at USA-CHINA-CROATIA triangle: The extra profit that China makes with USA it can use to tilt Croatia to it's side with what are massive investments for this small country. Especially since there is this crisis that "Santa isn't real" and perhaps we should return some things back towards socialism. The thing is that by exporting industry all the countries that we before dependent on you are now dependent on China for manufacture.

That's part of China's 2025 plan.

Plus even stuff that you just produce in China many not do well in Croatia. Because most of China stuff is of questionable quality and therefore it often makes more sense to buy Chinese product from China than American from China because the first one doesn't have a middle man (this is how iPhone basically crashed in my country, judging by my experiences). After all if I want real quality I will go with German product (or at least Czech or Polish product). However since China managed to suck so much money out of USA even those trademarks are now often owned by China.

I'm not pleased about it.

Especially since those countries also have "Santa isn't real problem". What in the end opens the question was freedom of private investors really worth of this global chaos in which China basically bought the world ? Which is where globalism, neoliberalism or however you want to call it failed in it's task. Due to the greed people forgot that they are fueling authoritarian government instead just one more private business.

Bingo.

Therefore now the biggest fish in the tank is authoritarian government and the whole "game" is messed up. (and that is unfair aka "unequal")

Well, that kind of inequality wasn't what I was referring to, initially, but since you brought it up in the context of global business, it certainly does apply. I would hope that U.S. citizens could look beyond their nose and hopefully we end up with a leader who gives a rat's ass about exactly what were are talking about. Just slamming tariffs on China is not going to solve the problem. They just go elsewhere for their needs and American businesses and farmers suffer the consequences that may not be recoverable with merely a change of who is in the White House come 2021.
 

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I have a major problem with that type of thinking. It is not my own. If you recall, I mentioned to you my concerns about U.S. dependency on China for medications. To put a country like mine in that kind of position with China should be viewed as a national security threat. Not knowing if the medication you put in your mouth is safe, or does the job effectively, is something I would expect in any other country except the USA. Santa just got identified as an incompetent twit. Screw him. Worse still, China has a plan to become the world's pharmacy by 2025 and with that will come control. They know what they are doing. America does not. And with this asshole in the White House who is the farthest thing from a long-term strategic planner you can find, we may very well end up at the point of no return. If we aren't there already.

I know but from the perspective of "my environment" you are still pretty far in this mindset. However I am curious: does USA openly marks nationally made products with certain logos or this is seen as unfair market practice ?


That's part of China's 2025 plan.

Yes, it is.


Well, that kind of inequality wasn't what I was referring to, initially, but since you brought it up in the context of global business, it certainly does apply. I would hope that U.S. citizens could look beyond their nose and hopefully we end up with a leader who gives a rat's ass about exactly what were are talking about. Just slamming tariffs on China is not going to solve the problem. They just go elsewhere for their needs and American businesses and farmers suffer the consequences that may not be recoverable with merely a change of who is in the White House come 2021.



I know very well what you were thinking but I have deliberately packed "inequality" in a way that everyone can get the picture that in global market practices there can really be "unfair play". This is exactly why I say "Put some armor on and protect your people, there is no need to play hero in the mess of this scale". 30 years ago saying that someone is simply lazy and bad with money had some weight, however with current world trade practices that argument really lost plenty of weight. For this I don't have to look further than myself, I got out of education with 0$ in debt and for average Joe in USA that is inequality in very practical sense since I am "unfair" competition. Plus I got full medical coverage that is truly free for me personally so that I can study in peace ... and I am pretty grateful for all of that and I feel no shame. After all this is my culture and I had active front line just down the road, so I think I deserves all of this. I rather pay somewhat higher taxes due to this than to pay various prison sentences and therapists. After all these are the programs that my future kids will use, even if something happens to me through out the years.




Actually my country (and many neighboring ones) are actively thinking and setting things about offering the citizenship to children/grandchildren of our people that moved to the US over the last 200 years, if they know somewhat the language or culture (something like 25% of of our nation is in USA and we really need more people here). However this is planned to work because some people will probably be running from poverty, Asian meds and bad neighborhoods. While pure difference in prices can make them much richer just by jumping ship. What in the bottom line means that USA could for the first time face what many other countries faced before and that is mass EMIGRATION. All the welfare in my place exists mostly because it is counter-emigration measure and therefore the left and nationalists think it is generally good idea. So I am not sure that "American way" is really sustainable in current global circumstances and trends if we count in everything (china, environment, public debt and this potential problem). Which is exactly why I see "Santa isn't real" as potentially very big thing, since America was built primary on the image of possibility.
 

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However I am curious: does USA openly marks nationally made products with certain logos or this is seen as unfair market practice ?

Any product or a medication?


Plus I got full medical coverage that is truly free for me personally so that I can study in peace ... and I am pretty grateful for all of that and I feel no shame.

Where did the coverage come from, who paid for it, and why?

So I am not sure that "American way" is really sustainable in current global circumstances and trends if we count in everything (china, environment, public debt and this potential problem). Which is exactly why I see "Santa isn't real" as potentially very big thing, since America was built primary on the image of possibility.

There really was a Santa at one point. Surely you don't think U.S. businesses which started out with one guy and a vision outsourced to China do you? Ridiculous.
 

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I think that Trump actually played his cards pretty well for his cause on the NATO summit. Because with things ending as they did we can easily portray "the allies" as people can't be trusted and which don't really respect USA. What in the end binds him with his base or perhaps attracts undecided voters. "The allies" could have been more careful with words.
 

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I think that Trump actually played his cards pretty well for his cause on the NATO summit. Because with things ending as they did we can easily portray "the allies" as people can't be trusted and which don't really respect USA. What in the end binds him with his base or perhaps attracts undecided voters. "The allies" could have been more careful with words.

Why? Trump isn't.
 

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Why? Trump isn't.


Because with this you have basically proven him right. Everything that happened is God given "fuel" for his campaign and his base (the idea that USA should stand alone).
Sometimes "winning" simply requires not doing what your opponent does and therefore I think that the allies simply shot themselves in the foot there. The guy thrives on scandals, conflict, divisions and controversy from the day one and they have given him exactly that.
 
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AAAAAAAAH

This is almost as bad as that Hillary Clinton ad with all the kids watching. Biden's going to whiz this thing down his pants.

This is exactly the kind of crap I was worried he would do. Hate to say it, but the fact that France doesn't think highly of us isn't exactly issue numero uno for most Americans. Fucking idiot political consultants.
 
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Feverishly flapping your feathers over the past isn't productive.

Well, I'm in the minority who thinks that Trump's GOP is less a shocking unprecedented development and more a further evolution and intensification of past trends. Given that, it may not be productive to reuse tactics that proved ineffectual in the past.
 

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Well, I'm in the minority who thinks that Trump's GOP is less a shocking unprecedented development and more a further evolution and intensification of past trends. Given that, it may not be productive to reuse tactics that proved ineffectual in the past.

Ah, yes. That must be why upon hearing Trump's inauguration speech GW reportedly said, "That was some weird shit." It's merely evolution. ;)
 
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Ah, yes. That must be why upon hearing Trump's inauguration speech GW reportedly said, "That was some weird shit." It's merely evolution. ;)

I think the truth of the matter is that we still have a lot of issues that will still be there in the unlikely event that Trump is removed from office. Focusing exclusively on Trump is a flawed way of approaching the problems we face as a society.
 
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