[Traditional Enneagram] A Primer On The Core Gestalts For Each E-Type And More

[Population: 1]

Still waiting on that missing 4 info

You’re only feeding the 4’s sense of being enigmatic by withholding it.

 

[Avocado]

Ahhh 7 it's so good to see you. The real you. And not one of your many alien impostors that read a bit like... "A Trip to Disneyland through the Eyes of a Five Year Old"


There was member here that asked for some insight and advice in order to best deal with her e7 husband's sudden mood shifts...from positive, inspired and hopeful...to suddenly "losing it" with wild ranting...everything sucks ass we'll never make it...

And I said to her that when this happens...something broke through...something's reminded him that he's mortal and it's very painful when this happens. Which I believe in her eyes only made me appear more insane than I actually am... (and she apparently does professional work with enneagram haha but she did seem to possess the trip to Disneyland understanding of 7 so...)

^Oh but I stand by what I say as much as a person can stand by something they said. And so it's so nice to see "God is against me"...and I understand why it is written that way. But the "God is against me" feel only comes once the 7 fully grasps that they aren't a god themselves.

Yes. Wisdom is following your own desires and whims regardless of the consequences even if it kills you or others.

 

[Tomb1]

1w2: The Conscientious-Rigid Gestalt
1w9: The Contemptuous-Rigid Gestalt
9w1: The Purposeful-Leisurely Gestalt
9w8: The Tough/Contrarian-Leisurely Gestalt
8w9: the Diabolical-Aggressive Gestalt
8w7: the Savage-Aggressive Gestalt
7w8: The Enterprising*-Rebellious Gestalt
7w6: The Mercurial-Rebellious Gestalt
6w7: The Pugnacious-Self-Protective Gestalt
6w5: The Volatile-Self-Protective Gestalt
5w6: The Solitary-Self-Sufficient Gestalt
5w4: The Idiosyncratic-Self-Sufficient Gestalt
4w5: The Suffering-Masochistic gestalt
4w3: The Dramatic-Masochistic Gestalt
3w4: The Calculating-Self-Confident Gestalt
3w2: The Expansive-Self-Confident Gestalt
2w3: The Insatiable-Seductive Gestalt
2w1: The Nurturing/Overbearing-Seductive Gestalt

*greedy acquisition -- a robber baron mentality

II. ADDENDUM OF TERMS

A. Gestalt

The gestalt is the type's overall instinctive truth sometimes referred to as the chief characteristic. It gives unity to all the various sides/parts to one's personality.

B. Core action set

A core action set is a continual expression of the type’s chief characteristic through a set of behaviors. if you're around any person long enough, their core action set will show up over and over again. It may be more understated in some environments but still identifiable.

It’s important to remember that core action sets involve behavior not the product of an emotional disturbance but done in a natural, lucid frame of mind. Emotional disturbances include but are not limited to stuff like obsessions, traumas, trolling, transferences, having been severely bullied and many other things.

Furthermore, core action sets are immune to differences in wing, stacking, and socionics type. They hold up under all conditions. Core action sets occur in both the average and the unhealthy levels for each enneagram type but with different degrees of severity. As a general rule of thumb, everybody spends most of their time in the average levels of their type.

C. Personality

Personality is essentially temperament and expresses both a physical reality and psychological component. it's the unchangeable and immutable part of the person affecting and coloring their behavior at every turn. Personality types are nature, not nurture.

C. Enneagram types

The enneagram classifies and accounts for the distinct personality types rooted in nature. Each enneagram is like a system in and of itself and runs on a specific logic. It would be impossible for more than one of these systems to exist in the same person*. To have an enneagram type implies a specific foundation in the unconscious mind which presents outwardly as a core strategy, core distortion, area of fixation, core action set, core trap, etc.

E. Practical Typing

Knowing what the physical agency/gestalt for each type, wing and stack looks like in real time is the most effective shortcut if you want to size somebody up fast. See the 2500+ exemplars breakdown in my signature.

Stackings are easy to visually type based upon the model discovered and set down here by Stackemup Typology (enneagram-side)….also found in my signature.



*not speaking here on the subject of Multiple Personality Disorder. Serious research indicates that due to early childhood abuse or trauma some people develop, as a stress-coping mechanism, different personality systems distinct from their dominant personality system -- and shift to the strategies of other personality systems under stressful situations. Of course, this is essentially the same psychological mechanism that the Fauvres claim Tritype turns on and that everybody uses. All the experts on Multiple Personality Disorder have found that such a psychological phenomena is triggered by some early childhood trauma. However, there's no credible evidence or research to suggest that everybody has a functional version of multiple personality disorder and the experts have it all wrong. Furthermore, it doesn't fit with my research into enneagram types or even just plain old common sense. I mean, like, if Saddam Hussein was able to switch to a different personality type under stress, he would have let go of his defiant strategy towards the US and UN long before they hung him for it.

 

[Avocado]

Time to reset, relearn, refresh with a primer on the absolute basics brought to you by Stackemup Typology (enneagram-side). This thread goes over the gestalt for each enneagram character type and gives a thumbnail sketch as to some of the inner logic of each character type. I also include DSM correlations.


Gestalt: The Type's Instinctive truth; principle of unity
Core Vulnerability: the type's Kryptonite


Type 2: the seductive gestalt.
Type 3: the self-confident gestalt.
Type 4: the masochistic gestalt
Type 5: The self-sufficient gestalt
Type 6: the self-protective gestalt.
Type 7: the rebellious gestalt.
Type 8: the aggressive gestalt.
Type 9: the leisurely gestalt.
Type 1: the rigid gestalt.


Type 2: The Seductive Gestalt
Core Strategy: Winning people over
Core Distortion: “I am not capable of validating myself.”
Area of fixation: Manipulation
Core Action Set: adapting themselves to others in the anticipation that they will be rejected if they do not and approaching interpersonal relations through “maneuvers.”
DSM Correlate: Histrionic Personality Disorder
Core trap: encroaching on people’s boundaries and trying to coerce them into doing things that will make the two feel validated.
Core Vulnerability: Rejection; indifference.
1 wingers are altruistic, serious, argumentative and often outspoken. 3 wingers are charming, fickle, and clingy.


Type 3: The Self-Confident Gestalt.
Core Strategy: Outshining others
Core Distortion: “I am a superior being.”
Area of fixation: Expansion/Fantasy
Core Action Set: putting others on notice that they are a superior being and admiration their due, that others need to be rolling out the red carpet for them.
DSM Correlate: Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Core Trap: Weaving together new fantastic rationales for their circumstances in order to recast themselves as the star.
Core Vulnerability: disdain from others
2 wingers are hyper-competitive, bragging, skilled at gamesmanship, and political (they know how to work and motivate people).
4 wingers are poised, calculating, efficient and oriented towards outward self-improvement.


Type 4: the Masochistic Gestalt.
Core strategy: Emotional Intensity
Core Distortion: "I am an Ugly Duckling; defective"
Area of fixation: Self-Absorption
Core Action Set: [withheld for the time being]
DSM Correlate: Masochistic Personality Disorder
Core Trap: [withheld for the time being]
Core Vulnerability: [withheld for the time being]
3 wingers seek emotional intensity through overdramatization. 5 wingers seek emotional intensity through sensitivity and refinement.


Type 5: The Self-sufficient Gestalt.
Core strategy: To know everything
Core distortion: “There’s a gulf/separation between my mind and the physical world around me.”
Area of fixation: conserving energy
Core action set: Avoiding intimacy so as to stay detached and outside the action
DSM Correlate: Schizoid Personality Disorder
Core Trap: Observing and collecting information that has little to no practical value.
Core Vulnerability: Intimidation
Core Weakness: Relationships
Core Passion: Avarice. Avarice is a withholding of the self from relationships.
4 wingers are antagonistic, provocative, and delight in demolishing conventionally held ideas. 6 wingers are comprehensive, pin ideas on people like bulletin boards and invent concepts/interpretations that keep reality aligned with their cerebral landscape.


Type 6: The Self-protective Gestalt
Core strategy: Deterrence/defense; being on-guard and ready to fend off an attack
Core distortion: “The world is a dangerous place. I will be mistreated, duped or harmed in some way.”
Area of Fixation: Rivalry; vendetta
Core action set: Exculpation of guilt onto others and the projection of hostility.
DSM Correlate: Paranoid Personality Disorder
Core Trap (s): Falling behind the 8-ball due to a life pattern of interpersonal conflicts.
Core Vulnerability: Being outnumbered or outmatched
Core Weakness: Distrustfulness
Core Passion: Cowardice. The passion of cowardice manifests either through phobic or counterphobic behavior. Remember that counterphobia is not the opposite of cowardice but an aggressive version of it: i.e. stealing victories, piggybacking on others, blindsiding, back-biting, strength in numbers.
5 wingers are over-partisan, habitually shift blame, scan for deeper/hidden meanings to confirm their suspicion of ill-will, and are quick to call out to the authorities for intervention. 7 wingers are pugnacious complainers, make mountains out of molehills, engage in assertive bluffing (the "all bark and no bite" approach), and are more prone to panic attacks.


Type 7: The Rebellious or Non-conforming Gestalt
Core strategy: doing whatever one wants
Core Distortion: “God is against me. I am against God.” God is anything that can inhibit one's gratification.
Area of Fixation: Having a large variety to choose from
Core Action Set: Being unrestrained and disrupting the social ethic; acting out.
DSM Correlate: Antisocial Personality Disorder
Core Trap: Habitually putting wants ahead of needs and cheating the present moment for more pleasure believing it can be made up for at another time.
Core Vulnerability: Immobilization; restriction
Core Weakness: Commitment
Core Passion: Gluttony. Gluttony is like a "roving eye" as if to bely their insatiable desire to consume everything in sight with no restriction on how the seven will take it.
6 wingers find stimulation through relationships, are monkey-minded in debate, and have a generalist grasp on many different subjects. 8 wingers are bold, adventurous, and see life more in zero sum terms.


Type 8: The Aggressive Gestalt
Core Strategy: Dominance.
Core Distortion: “Might makes right.”
Area of Fixation: Exercising Power
Core Action Set: Enforcing submission from underlings through violent and threatening language or behavior….pushing one’s self to the front of the line through ruthless expedience and being able to inflict pain instrumentally without remorse or guilt. Picking off the competition. Never backing down from a fight.
DSM Correlate: Sadistic Personality Disorder
Core Trap (s): acting with total impunity after having established power through fear.
Core Vulnerability: Eights are out of touch with vulnerability due to the defense mechanism of denial.
Core Weakness: Weakness is like a pit of despair that eights are wired to avoid falling into.
Core Passion: Lust. Because the eight employs the defense mechanism of denial, they are out of touch with being human. Lust fills that space with an appetite/enjoyment/pleasure for prevailing over others in the rough and tumble.
8w7s are always on the move in the conquest of more territory. They exercise power through more subversive means. 8w9s are heavily involved in the consolidation of their own territory. They exercise power through more traditional means.


Type 9: The Leisurely Gestalt
Core Strategy: Seeking support and offering support
Core Distortion: This point on the enneagram has no built-in distortion.
Area of Fixation: Merging
Core Action Set: Seeing things form multiple perspectives, having a disregard for black and white thinking and reflexively finding unity in conflicting stances.
DSM Correlate: Dependent Personality Disorder
Core trap: Going with the flow and staying merged with the agenda of others
Core Vulnerability: Separation.
Core weakness: Inner clarity.
Core Passion: Sloth. The passion of sloth is akin to self-forgetfulness, going on autopilot, falling asleep to one’s will, so to speak.
9w8s have a natural social charisma they use to reach their own objectives but also to make friends and help others reach their own goals; alliance-building. 9w1s have a more emotionally unexpressive and solemn manner, are capable of seeing reality without pretensions to mask it with and bear through these weighty concerns with one's nose to the grindstone. 9w1s are also critical and more drawn towards constant debate, but, in contrast to 1w9s, are just as sharp and unsparing on themselves.


Type 1: The Rigid Gestalt
Core Strategy: Control
Core Distortion: “Somebody must be punished for the world’s imperfections and flaws.”
Area of Fixation: Retribution
Core Action Set: Preoccupation with argumentation, standing up for one’s convictions, and conforming one’s own behavior to an ideal. Finding ways to restrict others in order to correct bad behavior and seeking to right perceived wrongs through the proper channels.
DSM Correlate: Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder
Core trap: Stewing in one’s anger.
Core Vulnerability: Humiliation; being depicted in an unfair light
Core weakness: Not letting go.
Core Passion: Wrath. Wrath is essentially hate. Ones wind up in the passion of hate because their anger over perceived wrongs has gone unresolved. As a result, the anger has metastasized into something worse and the object of that anger is no longer just the one who caused the anger.
9 wingers show contempt/disdain for the parts of reality that don't conform to their strong moral principles/ideals and high regard for those that do (the ideological fanatic)…2 wingers are conscientious, like to accomplish stuff through hard work, and ground their connections to others with empathetic concerns.

The above is good for writing characters.

1w2: The Conscientious-Rigid Gestalt
1w9: The Contemptuous-Rigid Gestalt
9w1: The Purposeful-Leisurely Gestalt
9w8: The Tough/Contrarian-Leisurely Gestalt
8w9: the Diabolical-Aggressive Gestalt
8w7: the Savage-Aggressive Gestalt
7w8: The Enterprising*-Rebellious Gestalt
7w6: The Mercurial-Rebellious Gestalt
6w7: The Pugnacious-Self-Protective Gestalt
6w5: The Volatile-Self-Protective Gestalt
5w6: The Solitary-Self-Sufficient Gestalt
5w4: The Idiosyncratic-Self-Sufficient Gestalt
4w5: The Suffering-Masochistic gestalt
4w3: The Dramatic-Masochistic Gestalt
3w4: The Calculating-Self-Confident Gestalt
3w2: The Expansive-Self-Confident Gestalt
2w3: The Insatiable-Seductive Gestalt
2w1: The Nurturing/Overbearing-Seductive Gestalt

*greedy acquisition -- a robber baron mentality

II. ADDENDUM OF TERMS

A. Gestalt

The gestalt is the type's overall instinctive truth sometimes referred to as the chief characteristic. It gives unity to all the various sides/parts to one's personality.

B. Core action set

A core action set is a continual expression of the type’s chief characteristic through a set of behaviors. if you're around any person long enough, their core action set will show up over and over again. It may be more understated in some environments but still identifiable.

It’s important to remember that core action sets involve behavior not the product of an emotional disturbance but done in a natural, lucid frame of mind. Emotional disturbances include but are not limited to stuff like obsessions, traumas, trolling, transferences, having been severely bullied and many other things.

Furthermore, core action sets are immune to differences in wing, stacking, and socionics type. They hold up under all conditions. Core action sets occur in both the average and the unhealthy levels for each enneagram type but with different degrees of severity. As a general rule of thumb, everybody spends most of their time in the average levels of their type.

C. Personality

Personality is essentially temperament and expresses both a physical reality and psychological component. it's the unchangeable and immutable part of the person affecting and coloring their behavior at every turn. Personality types are nature, not nurture.

C. Enneagram types

The enneagram classifies and accounts for the distinct personality types rooted in nature. Each enneagram is like a system in and of itself and runs on a specific logic. It would be impossible for more than one of these systems to exist in the same person*. To have an enneagram type implies a specific foundation in the unconscious mind which presents outwardly as a core strategy, core distortion, area of fixation, core action set, core trap, etc.

E. Practical Typing

Knowing what the physical agency/gestalt for each type, wing and stack looks like in real time is the most effective shortcut if you want to size somebody up fast. See the 2500+ exemplars breakdown in my signature.

Stackings are easy to visually type based upon the model discovered and set down here by Stackemup Typology (enneagram-side)….also found in my signature.



*not speaking here on the subject of Multiple Personality Disorder. Serious research indicates that due to early childhood abuse or trauma some people develop, as a stress-coping mechanism, different personality systems distinct from their dominant personality system -- and shift to the strategies of other personality systems under stressful situations. Of course, this is essentially the same psychological mechanism that the Fauvres claim Tritype turns on and that everybody uses. However, there's no credible evidence or research to suggest that everybody has a functional version of multiple personality disorder.

Shouldn’t this be added to the first post?

 

[misfortuneteller]

Type 9: The Leisurely Gestalt
Core Strategy: Seeking and offering peace of mind

Fixed.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Still waiting on that missing 4 info

You’re only feeding the 4’s sense of being enigmatic by withholding it.

That's been his M.O. for years now. I think it's hilarious (because of the transparency of his motives and the irony you mentioned, and also that he wasn't called out on it until recently).


Photo summary: He skipped making a thread for enneatype 4. Only enneatype 4. A full two years ago, so it's clearly intentional and not out of lack of time to solidify understanding. How cute. He's almost like that serial killer who leaves a little smiley face at all his body dump locations. That's like his thing.

I'm your biggest fan, Tomb. i've read all your stuff. Will you sign my boob with numbers 1 through 9, skipping 4?
Thanks, I'll never wash it again.

 

[Maou]

How rude, my 4ness wants answers.

 

[Tomb1]

Steve Wynn: ILE-Ti 7w8 sp/so (The Enterprising-Rebellious Gestalt)

Big Boy: SLE-Se 8w7 sx/so (The Savage-Aggressive Gestalt)

John Cassavetes: ILE-Ne 7w6 so/sx (The Mercurial-Rebellious Gestalt)

Alexandria Ocasio Cortez: ESE-Si 2w3 sp/so (The Insatiable-Seductive Gestalt)

 

[Peter Deadpan]

Ooooh, you're almost to 500 posts.
This is exciting.

 

[Tomb1]

Take a look at the slight variations on the Enterprising-Rebellious Gestalt based upon SX/SO stacking and socionics.

Vinny Pazienza: LSE-Te 7w8 sx/so

Tommy Perna: SLE-Ti 7w8 sx/so

Drita D'avanzo: SLE-Se 7w8 sx/so

Fredro Starr: EIE-Ni 7w8 sx/so

Stackemup Typology ripped open the door to a valid unification between socionics and enneagram based upon the conceptually/structurally/logically flawless foundations discovered and documented for both enneagram and socionics, paving the way for the upcoming and much anticipated Twin Towers Of Typology. Full transparency as to both conceptually/structurally/logically flawless breakdowns has been provided in my signature.

The Twin Towers of Typology are anticipated for release in late 2019, early 2020. The Twin Towers of Typology will be the mother of all typology resources.

 

[Tomb1]

Milo Yiannopoulis…EIE-Fe 3w2 sx/sp (The Expansive-Self-Confident Gestalt)

Damon Dash...SLE-Se 6w7 so/sx (The Pugnacious-Self-Protective Gestalt)

Buddy Rich...LIE-Ni 7w6 sx/so (The Mercurial-Rebellious Gestalt)

Frankie Fraser...SLE-Ti 8w7 sp/sx (The Savage-Aggressive Gestalt)

 

[Tomb1]

An unconventional but robust method of enneagram typing I've dubbed "The death method" is to look for the "thing" the person put their lives on the line for or would foreseeably put their lives on the line for....where potentially trading in their lives for this "thing" is treated like a worthwhile deal and the ego presents the self with convincing arguments....its hard to resist going for it when the time comes whereas to other types it appears crazy and defies rational calculation.

For the 3w4, the thing is deception. Rachel Dolezal a 3w4 was willing to ruin her career in order to deceive people as to her racial identity.

For the 8, the thing is power/might/supremacy. Death or imprisonment was worth it to Napoleon for an opportunity to fight and defeat all of Europe and be at the top of the mountain. Acquiring greater might in the form of nuclear weapons was worth it for Saddam even if it put him at risk of extreme economic sanctions by the US.

For the 1, the thing is wrath.....the quest for resolution of one's hatreds through revenge and punitiveness gives the 1's life meaning and purpose.

For the 7....it's going too far in the desire to subvert norms in one's position against "God."

And with that, I turn to the following examples: Phoolan Devi & Courtney Love (Both so'x and SLE-Se). I chose it that way so as to really highlight the contrast in action sets. More on SLE and So'x:

As SLEs, both are naturally athletic, competitive, tough, lots of take charge energy, animalistic, likes to fight, likes to rehearse, thrives in confrontation and is very territorial. As SO'Xs, the soc-variant intensifies each type’s core gestalt and the sx-variant softens each type’s core gestalt. The social variant’s intensification is rooted in the soc’s drive to immortalize themselves (or an aspect of themselves) into the social ether by affecting the culture/world in a large way. This intensification also includes a vigilanteism in the context of not letting anything stand in the way of this. Sp-second hardens and optimizes the soc- first’s agenda towards immortalization. so/sp-terroristic.Sx-instinct softens the soc’s intensification. the intensification of gestalt is still there but frequently gets thwarted/re-channeled/rerouted through an energetic merger with others -- so/sx vigilanteism shows up more frequently inside of the social web, for better or worse. (behaviorally so/sx shifts between libertine-militant extremes thus making for a more disorganized, splayed out, edgier version relative to other stackings for that same type/wing).

Phoolan Devi...SLE-Se 1w9 so/sx

Area of Fixation: Retribution

"Born into a poor family in rural Uttar Pradesh, Phoolan endured poverty as a child and had an unsuccessful marriage before taking to a life of crime. Having developed major differences with her parents and her husband alike, the teenage Phoolan sought escape by running away and joining a gang of bandits."

"The victorious rival faction, who were Rajputs, took Phoolan to their village of Behmai, confined her in a room, and took turns to rape her repeatedly over several days. After escaping (or being let off), Phoolan rejoined the remnants of her dead lover's faction, took another lover from among those men, and continued with banditry. A few months later, her new gang descended upon the village of Behmai to exact revenge for what she had suffered.[2][3] As many as twenty-two Rajput men belonging to that village were lined up in a row and shot dead by Phoolan's gang. Her victims were men who were known to have previously repeatedly gang raped her.

Her act of revenge - the Behmai massacre was potrayed by the press as an act of righteous rebellion."

Phoolan Devi - Wikipedia

Courtney Love....SLE-Se 7w8 so/sx

For Enneagram, Love is a great example of the Enterprising-Rebellious Gestalt:

"I was trying to negotiate the world on the world's terms and trying to subvert some sort of archetype because I had so much insecurity about that archetype in my own life..."

"This whole worshipping at the altar of beauty is ridiculous."

"It's sort of a quantum vulnerability where you really are exposing something, it's like aha what are you going to do kind of thing, come here, fuck with me, I'm only hanging upside down on a cross."

"I want to be Christ..."

"I wanted the prize! I might get the prize. And if I don't get the prize I'll be kind of sad. But I'll have gone down as being some point in revlution that is a reference point to whoever gets the prie. The prize is the crown passed from man to man to man in Rock n Roll. The prize is to get that crown and everything that goes with it."

"I want ot effect Culture in a very large way. If I die without having 2 or 3 brilliant rock songs, I don't know why I lived my life."

"Be the football captain."

Not quite a core 8 as she is a little too soft and self-indulgent (the most soft and self-indulgent 8w7 gets is the sx/so variant like Griselda Blanco, who was still quite ruthless)....also, Love is/was a drug addict, had difficulty kicking the habit, smokes like a chimney, does yoga, chants to buddha, gravitates in her weight, seems at the complete mercy of appetites, has had numerous work done on her face (body issues), easily cries during interviews, has a lot of friends, is popular.

It's worth refreshing as to core differences between 7w8 and 8w7.

Dominance is a means to an end for 7w8s, not an end in itself. Being at the top of the mountain gives 7w8s the means to enjoy the finer things in life. [For the 1, dominance is a means for having the power to dish out retribution.] for 8w7, dominance is an end, and not a means to some other goal. Napoleon was not fighting for that spot at the top for any ulterior motive. The more power the 7w8 accumulates the softer they get as they become more gluttonous in their desire to hedonistically indulge. the more power 8w7 accumulates their ruthlessness increases incrementally as as to consolidate and expand.

the 7w8's downfall comes about because their plans become too grandiose. They get carried away spoiling themselves. Their sensual nature gives others the ammunition to argue that they need to be taken out of the picture because they've grown too soft and impractical (or just off the wall). the 8w7's downfall comes about because they grow more brutal in their drive to consolidate and expand. They begin to establish dominance through more harsh and sadistic means, anything to hold onto their power, in turn, committing actions that cause revulsion from their own people, who may eventually band together against them in an act of betrayal.

 

[Earl Grey]

As SO'Xs, the soc-variant intensifies each type’s core gestalt and the sx-variant softens each type’s core gestalt. The social variant’s intensification is rooted in the soc’s drive to immortalize themselves (or an aspect of themselves) into the social ether by affecting the culture/world in a large way. This intensification also includes a vigilanteism in the context of not letting anything stand in the way of this. Sp-second hardens and optimizes the soc- first’s agenda towards immortalization. so/sp-terroristic.Sx-instinct softens the soc’s intensification. the intensification of gestalt is still there but frequently gets thwarted/re-channeled/rerouted through an energetic merger with others

Question. I have read differently (sadly I can't remember the source) that sx is the one that has to do with immortalization- understandable, it's the passing on of genes. I have understood differently, that soc is a more modulating, mediating force and shame-oriented (still more sensitive to how they are seen and approved) rather than the more unapologetic nature of sx if given the chance to express and indulge in their sx. If anything, shouldn't sx lend to the intensification of each core's gestalt in its purest form?

 

[Chad of the OttomanEmpire]

Question. I have read differently (sadly I can't remember the source) that sx is the one that has to do with immortalization- understandable, it's the passing on of genes.

There are still others who argue that self-pres seeks immortality, as the ultimate expression of one's continued survival. XD

 

[Earl Grey]

There are still others who argue that self-pres seeks immortality, as the ultimate expression of one's continued survival. XD

That also makes sense. All types seek to serve the individual in the end, even if in the most roundabout way. Even the most doormated types do so as survival, because if they assert then their hold on what stability they want is gone. Blend in a pack for safety. Leave, and there's no more food, no more support, no more approval, whatever it is.

It can be argued immortality is then not a distinction in any type, but the why and how is what matters more. That being said, I'm still interested to see why Tomb says that sx tunes down the core's gestalt.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

There are still others who argue that self-pres seeks immortality, as the ultimate expression of one's continued survival. XD

I've never understood people who find immortality appealing. One life is painful enough, an eternity of them is just a never-ending series of losses. I've already loved and lost in life and feel as if I may not get another chance, but to think of trying to re-find that for all of eternity with the knowledge that you'll eventually lose it, or even worse; to know that each subsequent love is just a watered down version of the previous because much of the beauty in true love is that it is rare, normally a once in a lifetime experience.
Blasé. Disillusioned. Jaded.

I take some comfort in knowing that death is guaranteed.

 

[Peter Deadpan]

I'm really fun at parties.

 

[Chad of the OttomanEmpire]

I've never understood people who find immortality appealing. One life is painful enough, an eternity of them is just a never-ending series of losses. I've already loved and lost in life and feel as if I may not get another chance, but to think of trying to re-find that for all of eternity with the knowledge that you'll eventually lose it, or even worse; to know that each subsequent love is just a watered down version of the previous because much of the beauty in true love is that it is rare, normally a once in a lifetime experience.
Blasé. Disillusioned. Jaded.

I take some comfort in knowing that death is guaranteed.

I don't think anyone who's self-pres (or sexual, or social) necessarily has to hold immortality as an ideal though. Just different authors and thinkers have the concept at different places, apparently.

 

[Tomb1]

Jussie Smollett...3w4 sx/so
Fictional Counterpart...Amy Dunne (Though Smollet is not EII)

Here is an excellent example of the Calculated-Self-Confident Gestalt.

So the foundation is pretty well cemented in already for this one. If you look at my 3w4 sx/so examples, you will see that they all have the same gestalt/kinesthetic/physical agency/instinctive truth/temperament as Jussie Smollet (with some variations from socionics) but it is the best fit anywhere on my list. Jussie Smollet best fits the sx/so VI on my visual model for stackings.

Stackemup Typology (enneagram side)'s 2500+ list of exemplars is a multi-functional tool. It can be used in many different ways. One use imo is that it provides probabilities (never absolutes) as to the type of crimes people have a propensity for committing in a more systematic and specific manner than any resource I am aware of. And I don't mean general crimes, but certain nuances that appear in the commission of general crimes which indicate the temperament of its perpetrator. Obviously a trained investigator cannot arrest somebody just off that, but it can be of great aide during the preliminary investigation process for trained investigators of all stripes (police officers, detectives, agents).

 

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Lavar Ball...LSE-Si 3w2 so/sp

3w2...the expansive-self-confident gestalt

Pink...SEE-Fi 9w8 sx/so

9w8...the tough/contrarian-leisurely gestalt

DMX...SLE-Se 6w5 sx/so

6w5...the volatile-self-protective gestalt

Clarese Gainey...SLE-Ti 8w7 sx/so

8w7....the savage-aggressive gestalt