Toxic Feminism

[anticlimatic]

Men interalize stress while women act outwardly. The suicides and mass shootings are apart of someone exploting due to heavy internalization.

That's the healthy way to express stress- internal for men, external for women.

 

[Jaguar]

I have another question, why didn't mass shootings exist 20-30 years ago?

Killeen, Texas: Oct. 16, 1991.

24 killed (including shooter) and 27 wounded.

Shooter: 35-year-old George Hennard.

Motive: Hatred of women, ethnic minorities.

 

[jixmixfix]

Killeen, Texas: Oct. 16, 1991. 24 killed (including shooter) and 27 wounded. Shooter: 35-year-old George Hennard. Motive: Hatred of women, ethnic minorities.

1991 can you math?

 

[Jaguar]

1991

Goody, you can read. That's a start.

 

[ceecee]

1991 can you math?

Can you? That was 26 years ago.

 

[jixmixfix]

Goody, you can read. That's a start.

Anything earlier than that?

 

[Jaguar]

Anything earlier than that?

Do your homework.

 

[jixmixfix]

Do your homework.

exactly there isn't.

 

[Jaguar]

exactly there isn't.

You're too lazy to look. Donald, is that you?

 

[jixmixfix]

You're too lazy to look.

Im talking about a mass shooter who goes ape shit on a crowd.Work with me here.

 

[anticlimatic]

Im talking about a mass shooter who goes ape shit on a crowd.Work with me here.

 

[Lark]

That's interesting, I'm going to look into those people.



This is good advice, but it's hard to fight against the ethos of my generation.




I wouldn't dispute this. That's why I felt so guilty about saying "girl".



I find that surprising, since it clashes with what I have been taught growing up. Maybe we just have different timeframes in mind for what we consider traditional? How far back are we going? I always felt like women were the ones who shouldered most of the burdens of responsibility, but I might have an idiosyncratic experience:

-In my home life, my dad was definitely the less sensible one. My mom always told me not to listen to my father.

-All through school, almost all of my teachers/principals happened to be women. Usually they would lightly tease the boys in class about being lazy students and praise the girls for being more mature (nothing vicious or anything, just a general slant).

-At my university, though there was a fairly even distribution among professors, about 70% of all the students were women, and the guys were usually the inferior students (it was a liberal arts school).

-Every job I've worked, I have answered directly to a woman. The CEO of the current company I work for is a woman, and the GM of every branch I have worked at has been a woman.

-Even in the books I read growing up, there was usually some sensible/resourceful (often brilliant) girl who shoulders a lot of adult responsibility and protects the other characters from danger (Hermione in Harry Potter, Annabeth in "The Olympians" series, Violet Baudelaire in "A Series of Unfortunate Events", Lyra in "His Dark Materials", Katniss Everdeen in "The Hunger Games", to name a few of the most popular series of my youth).

I just always got the impression guys were supposed to be impulsive risk-takers, and women were the ones with a good head on their shoulders. I even tried to live up to that as a kid. My mom always told me guys matured later, it was just scientific fact.

History is women coming along behind with a bucket.

I cant remember who said it but I always thought it referred to what you discuss here.

 

[jixmixfix]

Seriously though is it so far fetched to say that mass shootings are post modern phenomenon?

 

[Forever_Jung]

History is women coming along behind with a bucket.

I cant remember who said it but I always thought it referred to what you discuss here.

I wasn't sure I understood the bucket reference, so I looked it up:

“History is a commentary on the various and continuing incapabilities of men. What is history? History is women following behind with the bucket.”

― Alan Bennett, The History Boys

Sounds about right...but does it have to be this way?

 

[anticlimatic]

Seriously though is it so far fetched to say that mass shootings are post modern phenomenon?

Yeah man they've been around forever.

Category:Mass shootings in the United States by year - Wikipedia

 

[Red Herring]

4 of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in the USA happened more than 25 years ago.

Apparently the mother of all amok shootings happened in Texas in 1966 when an ex marine sniper with a brain tumor shot people from a tower on the university campus for an hour and a half. That was over 50 years ago.

Taxi Driver, a film has has probably also contributed to somewhat glorifying this phenomenon, was made in 1976. Over 40 years ago.

I do think however that these things spread like an epidemic. There have always been frustrated and unbalanced people that snapped, but I'm under the impression that these shootings just like lone wolf terror attacks are basically fashions, fads that unhinged (mostly young) men turn to because they have repeatedly heard about it and it has been lingering in the back of their mind as an option. Basically a Werther effect turned outward.

Also, mass shootings tend to be an American thing. In Europe wannabe Robert De Niros, religious martyrs or selfdeclared patriots run vehicles into crowds or eratically stab people with a kitchen knife (also a recent trend among Palestinian men in Israel). Three cheers for local color!

 

[Lark]

I wasn't sure I understood the bucket reference, so I looked it up:



Sounds about right...but does it have to be this way?

I dont think so, although I am a socialist.

 

[Lark]

4 of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in the USA happened more than 25 years ago.

Apparently the mother of all amok shootings happened in Texas in 1966 when an ex marine sniper with a brain tumor shot people from a tower on the university campus for an hour and a half. That was over 50 years ago.

Taxi Driver, a film has has probably also contributed to somewhat glorifying this phenomenon, was made in 1976. Over 40 years ago.

I do think however that these things spread like an epidemic. There have always been frustrated and unbalanced people that snapped, but I'm under the impression that these shootings just like lone wolf terror attacks are basically fashions, fads that unhinged (mostly young) men turn to because they have repeatedly heard about it and it has been lingering in the back of their mind as an option. Basically a Werther effect turned outward.

Also, mass shootings tend to be an American thing. In Europe wannabe Robert De Niros, religious martyrs or selfdeclared patriots run vehicles into crowds or eratically stab people with a kitchen knife (also a recent trend among Palestinian men in Israel). Three cheers for local color!

I think his point was that he thought life was better when he was a kid, at least I think that'd be the most charitable understanding of what they had to say but its all fucked up so would you know?

I've noticed a downward spiral and its not just with that user but its definitely evident enough with them.

 

[Forever_Jung]

I dont think so, although I am a socialist.

Okay...maybe I don't know what you mean. What does socialism have to do with it?

 

[Red Herring]

Literally going postal might be another example of a combination of amok and epidemic behavior. I wasn't really aware that postal workers shooting at their workplace was such a huge thing in the eighties.

List of postal killings - Wikipedia

March 22, 1975, Gadsden, Alabama: Floyd Davidson, a 47-year-old postal employee, was charged with 2 counts of first degree murder in the fatal shooting of Gadsden Postmaster James M. Ford and a postal tour superintendent, Eldred Curtis McDonald.[3]
August 19, 1983, Johnston, South Carolina: Perry Smith, a resigned USPS employee, charged into the Johnston post office with a 12-gauge shotgun and began firing at workers in a hall, killing the postmaster and wounding two other employees.[4]
December 2, 1983, Anniston, Alabama: James Brooks, 53, entered into the Anniston, Alabama, post office with a .38 caliber pistol killing the postmaster, and injuring his immediate supervisor. Subsequent to killing the postmaster, James Brooks ran up the stairs of the building pursuing his supervisor and shooting him twice.[5]
March 6, 1985, Atlanta, Georgia: Steven Brownlee, with 12 years of service, opened fire on the night shift in the Atlanta, Georgia, main post office with a .22 caliber pistol and killed a supervisor and a coworker, including wounding a third coworker in a mail sorting area.[5]
November 15, 1985, Manitou, Oklahoma: Forrest Albert (F.A) Reffner, 39, entered the Manitou Post Office to check his elderly mother's mail when 74-year-old Arvell "Pete" Conner entered the post office armed with a .38 caliber, arguing with Reffner before shooting and killing him inside the main post office.
August 20, 1986, Edmond, Oklahoma: Patrick Sherrill, a part-time letter carrier, entered the Edmond Postal Office and fatally shot 14 employees and wounded six. He subsequently committed suicide.
December 14, 1988, New Orleans, Louisiana: Warren Murphy, entered into the New Orleans, Louisiana, postal facility with a 12-gauge shotgun hidden under his clothing. Later during his work shift, after an incident with a supervisor, he reportedly went to the men's room and came out brandishing the shotgun. He then fatally shot his supervisor in the face. The fired shot reportedly wounded two other employees. After the shooting, he held his ex-girlfriend hostage. Later two FBI SWAT agents reportedly were wounded upon finding Warren Murphy in a supervisor's office. He eventually surrendered to the agents.[5]
August 10, 1989, Escondido, California: John Merlin Taylor killed his wife, then two colleagues and himself at Orange Glen post office.
October 10, 1991: Ex-postal worker Joseph M. Harris killed his ex-supervisor and her boyfriend at their home in Wayne, New Jersey, then killed two former colleagues as they arrived at the Ridgewood, New Jersey post office where they all previously worked. According to "Today in Rotten History," Harris was initially armed with an Uzi, grenades, and "samurai sword" and was later arrested after a 4½ hour standoff with police, garbed in a ninja's outfit and gas mask. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to death.
November 14, 1991, Royal Oak, Michigan: Fired postal worker Thomas McIlvane killed four, wounded five, before killing himself.
June 3, 1992, Citrus Heights, California: Roy Barnes, a 60-year-old employee, went to the workroom floor at the Citrus Heights post office, armed with a .22 caliber pistol, and fatally shot himself in the heart in front of his coworkers.[5]
May 6, 1993, Dearborn, Michigan: Postal worker Larry Jasion killed one, wounded three, then killed himself at a post office garage.
May 6, 1993, Dana Point, California: Mark Richard Hilbun killed his mother, then shot two postal workers dead.[6]
December 1, 1993, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania: Postal employee James A. Paulano was accidentally killed in drive by shooting.
March 21, 1995, Montclair, New Jersey: Christopher Green, a former postal employee, killed four people (including two employees) and wounded a fifth at the Fairfield Street branch post office. While this is a postal killing, the primary motivation appears to have been debt payment, and there was no indication that the former employee was mentally disturbed as a result of his former postal work.[7]
July 10, 1995, City of Industry, California: Bruce Clark, current employee and a postal clerk with 25 years employment with the USPS, subsequent to an argument, punched his supervisor in the back of the head at the City of Industry, California, mail processing center and left the work area. About ten minutes later, he returned to the work area with a brown paper bag in his hand. Upon being asked by his supervisor what was in the bag, he reportedly pulled out a .38 revolver and at close range fatally shot the supervisor twice, once in the upper body and once in the face. Two employees reportedly took the gun away from Bruce Clark and held him until police arrived. Seventy-five postal employees reportedly witnessed the shooting.[5]
December 19, 1996, Las Vegas, Nevada: Former employee Charles Jenning went to the parking lot at the Las Vegas, Nevada, postal facility and shot and killed a labor relations specialist. Mr. Jennings reportedly indicated in his statement to investigators that the labor relations specialist struggled to take the gun away from him and was shot in the process.[5]
September 2, 1997, Miami Beach, Florida: 21-year postal employee Jesus Antonio Tamayo shoots ex-wife and friend, whom he saw waiting in line, then killed himself.
December 20, 1997, Milwaukee, Wisconsin: Anthony Deculit killed coworker, wounded supervisor and another coworker with a 9mm pistol before killing himself.
January 30, 2006, Goleta, California: Former mail processor Jennifer San Marco, 44, killed six employees (five immediately, another died later). A seventh victim, a former neighbor, was killed first.[8] Marco committed suicide at the sorting facility.[9][10][11]
April 4, 2006, Baker City, Oregon: Grant Gallaher, a letter carrier for 13 years, while on duty in Baker City, Oregon, reportedly went home and got his .357 Magnum revolver and drove to the city post office with the intention of killing the postmaster. Arriving at the parking lot, he reportedly ran over his supervisor several times. Subsequently he went into the post office looking for the postmaster. Not finding the postmaster, he returned to the parking lot and shot his supervisor several times at close range, ostensibly to ensure she was dead. He reportedly then fired three bullets in the windshield of her car and three more in the hood.[5]
November 28, 2006, San Francisco, California: Julius Kevin Tartt, age 39, with 18 years of service, employed at the Napoleon Street Carrier Annex in San Francisco, went to his supervisor's residence, armed with a revolver and shot her in the back of the head outside her house. He then reportedly left the scene and fatally shot himself in the head with the same gun the next day. Early in the investigation, homicide investigators were reportedly looking at links between disputes between Julius Tartt and his supervisor, including what one police official referred to as a discipline issue. One of the homicide officials stated that there were indications that Julius Tartt was dissatisfied with work and with the supervisor. During the timeframe of the tragedy, he was absent from work and had called in sick the previous day.[5]
April 2013, Kennesaw, Georgia: Geddy Kramer, 19, shot and wounded six coworkers at a FedEx facility and then committed suicide.[12]
March 23, 2017 Muncie, Indiana: A suspect who had been involved in a police pursuit was shot by police after crashing through a post office gate, then driving towards police officers. [13]
June 14, 2017 San Francisco, California: 38-year-old employee Jimmy Lam killed 3 coworkers at a UPS facility before killing himself as police arrived. Two others were shot and injured, and three others were wounded indirectly.[14]