The short answer (I do want to get more in-depth but time doesn't permit currently) I don't think culture affects the act of inner perception, rather the contents of the perception, which would be unique to the individual.Here are some more questions: To what extent does historical and cultural context influence the expression of Ni? The elderly lady I mentioned is much closer to Jung's generation, so is she more likely to express it in the same terms as he describes? Now we live in an age of science and technology that dismisses "magical thinking" (unless tied to a structured religion), so would a Ni-dom express differently now? Also, what are the universal components that define a function and what are the context specific components. Si involves mapping concrete experience as an internal point of reference, but those experiences are as varied as culture and individual. How many fundamentally different versions of Ni are possible? What core attributes define it as a category? Will everyone see distinct metaphorical expressions of internal processes like the lady with the "snake in her abdomen"?
9. The Introverted Intuitive Type
yet even a relatively slight differentiation of judgment would suffice to transfer intuitive perception from the purely æsthetic into the moral sphere. A variety of this type is thus produced which differs essentially from its æsthetic form, although none the less characteristic of the introverted intuitive. The moral problem comes into being when the intuitive tries to relate himself to his vision, when he is no longer satisfied with mere perception and its æsthetic shaping and estimation,
The unconscious personality may, therefore, best be described as an extraverted sensation-type of a rather low and primitive order. Impulsiveness and unrestraint are the characters of this sensation, combined with an extraordinary dependence upon the sense impression. This latter quality is a compensation to the thin upper air of the conscious attitude, giving it a certain weight, so that complete 'sublimation' is prevented
The above video applies of course to both INTJ and INFJ, although there could be some feeling of it being more of an NF description. My theory about what happens in the INFJ description, what makes it so irregular, is that it is difficult to grasp Ni and to make meaningful sense of it, so some descriptions rely on Fe or Ti to describe the INFJ and just add a little Ni spice to the mix to show that it isn't exactly like an ISFJ or an INTP or ISTP. I suspect there is a tendency to want to broaden the category so it has more meaning as a personality option. If you hold it to exactly what Jung says, then it becomes more rare and loses meaning for most of us, because how many people know someone who has a "snake in their abdomen"? People who talk like that are considered possibly mentally ill, really off, and avoided and forgotten. I can see reason to broaden the category beyond what Jung describes, but what typically happens is that the concept of Ni gets mostly abandoned because it feels almost useless in getting a sense of how someone is going to behave. We can also ask if Jung's concept of the Ni-dom actually is too esoteric. Are there enough people like that to make it a meaningless category?
I have a new friend who is an older lady (80 years old) who I think may be a classic example of a Ni-dom INFJ. She won't wear black because the "vibrational energy weighs her down too much". She is extremely right-brained and has zero aspects of what we often think of "J"s as being. She is the opposite of the Type A personality, she is entirely unstructured, but lives in this abstract world of metaphorical impressions.
Anyway, this is worth discussing and finding out some opposing ideas about it.
Very, very thought-provoking (OK, I was going to type "disturbing" but I chose to water it down!). Jung cites pure examples of the dominant functions and you don't come across many of them in everyday life. Introverted Intuition is probably more in thrall to the auxiliary function than other types and before hearing about the snake lady I would have said this was a good thing, but now I'm on much shakier ground! There really is no use for introverted intuitives in Modern Western society, which of course makes them all the more necessary. Lenore Thomson had a passage in her book advising Ni doms to urgently find a way to express what was inside of themselves that I always read as the standard "be more extroverted" sort of nonsense but of course that's not what she meant at all. I'll just add, kind of as a half-response to Labyrinthine's 80-year-old friend example, that although Type experts claim that mature development involves engaging more and more with the non-dominant functions, I'm finding that after years of using my non-dominant functions to try to be a "normal" person, I'm going the other way and trying to honor introverted intuition, which I thought I was enjoying immensely. Once in a while I encounter my own personal snake lady and I'll explore it for a while -- but take it seriously? That's terrifying!
The above video applies of course to both INTJ and INFJ, although there could be some feeling of it being more of an NF description. My theory about what happens in the INFJ description, what makes it so irregular, is that it is difficult to grasp Ni and to make meaningful sense of it, so some descriptions rely on Fe or Ti to describe the INFJ and just add a little Ni spice to the mix to show that it isn't exactly like an ISFJ or an INTP or ISTP. I suspect there is a tendency to want to broaden the category so it has more meaning as a personality option. If you hold it to exactly what Jung says, then it becomes more rare and loses meaning for most of us, because how many people know someone who has a "snake in their abdomen"? People who talk like that are considered possibly mentally ill, really off, and avoided and forgotten. I can see reason to broaden the category beyond what Jung describes, but what typically happens is that the concept of Ni gets mostly abandoned because it feels almost useless in getting a sense of how someone is going to behave. We can also ask if Jung's concept of the Ni-dom actually is too esoteric. Are there enough people like that to make it a meaningless category?
The above video applies of course to both INTJ and INFJ, although there could be some feeling of it being more of an NF description. My theory about what happens in the INFJ description, what makes it so irregular, is that it is difficult to grasp Ni and to make meaningful sense of it, so some descriptions rely on Fe or Ti to describe the INFJ and just add a little Ni spice to the mix to show that it isn't exactly like an ISFJ or an INTP or ISTP. I suspect there is a tendency to want to broaden the category so it has more meaning as a personality option. If you hold it to exactly what Jung says, then it becomes more rare and loses meaning for most of us, because how many people know someone who has a "snake in their abdomen"? People who talk like that are considered possibly mentally ill, really off, and avoided and forgotten. I can see reason to broaden the category beyond what Jung describes, but what typically happens is that the concept of Ni gets mostly abandoned because it feels almost useless in getting a sense of how someone is going to behave. We can also ask if Jung's concept of the Ni-dom actually is too esoteric. Are there enough people like that to make it a meaningless category? I have a new friend who is an older lady (80 years old) who I think may be a classic example of a Ni-dom INFJ. She won't wear black because the "vibrational energy weighs her down too much". She is extremely right-brained and has zero aspects of what we often think of "J"s as being. She is the opposite of the Type A personality, she is entirely unstructured, but lives in this abstract world of metaphorical impressions. Anyway, this is worth discussing and finding out some opposing ideas about it.
if one dare speak it, one would be called crazy for speaking the ultimate truth..which unfortunately will be hidden from society/humanity until it's too late.
But, since he tends to rely exclusively upon his vision, his moral effort becomes one-sided; he makes himself and his life symbolic, adapted, it is true, to the inner and eternal meaning of events, but unadapted to the actual present-day reality. Therewith he also deprives himself of any influence upon it
To what extent does historical and cultural context influence the expression of Ni?
What's the ultimate truth? Or is that what you described before about the puppet-masters?
I went through a period like that. It was encouraged by a religious movement that was going on when I was younger. It might still be; I don't know. But I definitely developed my use of Ni during that time. It was certainly personal effort due to cultural context, same as if I wanted to practice and become good at a different skill. I'm sure that if I had been raised in an environment that encouraged Ni, I would have developed it more from birth. On the other hand, I was raised in an environment that encouraged a lot of skills that I never really have developed, so I might have more of a natural relationship with Ni than I have with, say, Te--or it might just be that I actually "applied myself" to developing Ni for a time. I think it's little bit of both, because it's easier for me to get "lost" in my mind than to ride an extended wave of extraverted personal efficacy.
I think cultural context can influence not just the expression but also the development of Ni. I'm sure there are more and less Ni-predisposed people, but if more people were culturally Ni-developed, then the people who have the highest predispositions to Ni would probably be a lot more at home expressing it, and integrating it with other aspects of life.
Just like Mariobanana.
When I said, "ultimate truth" I mean according to how the Ni user takes it in. Things just "appear" as the case.. sometimes without immediate evidence..and also .. yes, I did mean similar to the invisible puppet masters thingy.![]()