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I'm emotionless, dispassionate.

sonictard

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I have no problem with my silence and quietness, but other people are quite unnerving around me. They try to figure out my aloofness, but they remain doubtful.

Sometimes I feel like I'm a human robot. I wish that people do not feel so strange around me.
 
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I have no problem with my silence and quietness, but other people are quite unnerving around me. They try to figure out my aloofness, but they remain doubtful.

Sometimes I feel like I'm a human robot. I wish that people do not feel so strange around me.

Every day I cross many people who don't look like robots but are. IF you press ON, they behave automatically. If you press OFF. They behave automatically in another way.
 

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Hm. I can completely relate to this. I have a resting emotionlessness.

I end up going with the flow though, even though it's fairly fake expressions of emotion you get use to it for survival..
 
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Hm. I can completely relate to this. I have a resting emotionlessness.

I end up going with the flow though, even though it's fairly fake expressions of emotion you get use to it for survival..

Why do you think you must fake emotions to survive ? Why don't you let live within yourself your own emotions (if it isn't the case already).

You don't need to show them, just be conscious they exist too. What do you think ?
 

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Why do you think you must fake emotions to survive ? Why don't you let live within yourself your own emotions (if it isn't the case already).

You don't need to show them, just be conscious they exist too. What do you think ?

Because you can't just walk through life like a robot and expect to be a well received member of society... that's not how the world works.

I naturally just adapt and mimic what others do and how they act. To a degree. I still retain my sense of self, but any self I portray, depending on the group, can change and be tweaked still. It is something subconscious so things go more smoothly and I "emotionally" appear to fit in. It's a chameleon effect common with xNTP's and extroverted types is it not? Why do any of us use that mechanism? I would think it is there for a reason and like I said I'm not even that aware of it anymore.

Reading about it somewhere someone called it a "subconscious defense mechanism". Which makes sense. It just naturally happens with the flow. Only time I don't need to do this is around someone I am truly fully comfortable with.

Just "be conscious they exist"? I can't even tell what it is in the rare times I feel emotion often. I analyze them like a strange entity. But in some ways (like connections to others) I do fear them, because of the vulnerability such connections can present. I'm aware some sort of emotions exist within me but most times I rarely feel them much, or if I do they are very fleeting. Same with connections to people, usually either easily forgettable and shallow, or overwhelming which makes me freaked out.

Irony though since once I feel a lot I end up showing nothing and locking up.
 

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The curse of inferior Fe. I am making the assumption that you are fairly young? Late teens/early twenties?

Just keep experiencing things. You'll realize you do have feelings, you may not express them the same way as everyone else but as long as YOU are happy with the way you process them, and you do that in a way that doesn't hurt you, that's all that counts.
 

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Yeah, I definitely know you people have feelings. You bleed it out one way or another. I can be extremely robotic myself especially when I feel like the world has left me or I have given up on pleasing people.

When I was younger I couldn't see through people really. All I wanted was to communicate with someone. Actually there were some, but I didn't know how to approach.

Now that I'm older. I can't find a robot honestly. I offend even TP's. :laugh: (not that I intend to) and I often intimidate as well with my glance.

NTJ's may sometimes rival with intimidation right back to me but I definitely know they do have feelings via Ni. Fi users I can feel much stronger and deeper usually than Fe users. Unless the Fe user is at their worst of course.
 

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But when you're truly present with yourself. You don't give a thought to others really. :heart:

You must separate time from your feelings and become one with your past and present self and the true self forms. :heart:
 
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Because you can't just walk through life like a robot and expect to be a well received member of society... that's not how the world works.

I naturally just adapt and mimic what others do and how they act. To a degree. I still retain my sense of self, but any self I portray, depending on the group, can change and be tweaked still. It is something subconscious so things go more smoothly and I "emotionally" appear to fit in. It's a chameleon effect common with xNTP's and extroverted types is it not? Why do any of us use that mechanism? I would think it is there for a reason and like I said I'm not even that aware of it anymore.

Reading about it somewhere someone called it a "subconscious defense mechanism". Which makes sense. It just naturally happens with the flow. Only time I don't need to do this is around someone I am truly fully comfortable with.

Just "be conscious they exist"? I can't even tell what it is in the rare times I feel emotion often. I analyze them like a strange entity. But in some ways (like connections to others) I do fear them, because of the vulnerability such connections can present. I'm aware some sort of emotions exist within me but most times I rarely feel them much, or if I do they are very fleeting. Same with connections to people, usually either easily forgettable and shallow, or overwhelming which makes me freaked out.

Irony though since once I feel a lot I end up showing nothing and locking up.


My best friend is an INTP and I love him. Well he loves me too, if not ...he would have already get a good kick in his introvert ass (actually , I forgot how an introvert ass looks like:blush:) !

He was thinking he has no emotions. Which is just detachment. He told me I am the only one with who he feels he is allowed to be himself (that is the best compliment someone can share to me).

We went together to an enneagramm course and believe me he could learn much more about how he really is.

He is able to use Fe at work. I can't ! I don't want my gosh ! But I am a night bird, I know owls and bats are not admitted in daily society.

I'm not an INTP or an introvert and I'm not dominantly a thinker because I trust my guts first of all, but believe me it takes time to trust one's emotions.

Everybody is different, I know. But to grow up one needs to meet great people, sometimes some challenges, or some revealing books.

As for your connection with people, I don't have any lesson to give of course as I rather consider myself as an endless learner, I had to solve problems within my family first

because I suddenly realised much later I was projecting things on people. Those are frequent in most people and unconscious (we're used to live with them).

Irony though since once I feel a lot I end up showing nothing and locking up.


That's typically and INTP problem. Word by word my best friend could have written down exactly the same words. He is one of the deepest person I've ever met on that earth...

I have advised him meditation, and took care to explain him in a rational way how a daily meditation changes our brain and improves our way of thinking (it is scientifically proven).

The problem with mental types being afraid is that you often use your brain in the wrong way, like everybody does :D Then, you can conclude you are just totally normal :hi:
 
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NTJ's may sometimes rival with intimidation right back to me but I definitely know they do have feelings via Ni. Fi users I can feel much stronger and deeper usually than Fe users. Unless the Fe user is at their worst of course.

Can you feel it ? I mean...my Fi ? It is hidden behind my exhausting Se :devil:

Now that I'm older. I can't find a robot honestly.

That is brilliant (or just realistic). I suddenly find you much more intimidating than NTJ. Know why ? They wish they could make me believe they are old robots:doh:


:dry:
 

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Can you feel it ? I mean...my Fi ? It is hidden behind my exhausting Se :devil:

Now that I'm older. I can't find a robot honestly.

That is brilliant (or just realistic). I suddenly find you much more intimidating than NTJ. Know why ? They wish they could make me believe they are old robots:doh:


:dry:

:laugh:

Haha well online it's a tad tougher. :p

Hahahaha. Tone of voice, body language, facial expressions, intuition.. gee. People thinking they can evolve or devolve at will. Oh please. :laugh:
 
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People thinking they can evolve or devolve at will. Oh please. :laugh:

People who don't believe in their own will-power :horror::notype:


I don't give a damn, I'm not part of the devolve family, I let them think what they want : their devolution isn't my revolution :smoke:
 

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People who don't believe in their own will-power :horror::notype:


I don't give a damn, I'm not part of the devolve family, I let them think what they want : their devolution isn't my revolution :smoke:

Well I'd like to be in the evolution revolution, if there's one. :smoke: :party2:
 

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The curse of inferior Fe. I am making the assumption that you are fairly young? Late teens/early twenties?

Just keep experiencing things. You'll realize you do have feelings, you may not express them the same way as everyone else but as long as YOU are happy with the way you process them, and you do that in a way that doesn't hurt you, that's all that counts.

Actually, I'm 34. My coldness is a result of life experience and a difficult, traumatic maturation process. So, what doesn't kill you makes you a cripple (or, cold). In my case both.
 

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Actually, I'm 34. My coldness is a result of life experience and a difficult, traumatic maturation process. So, what doesn't kill you makes you a cripple (or, cold). In my case both.

Ok. This sounds like something different than just inferior Fe but influenced by it/related.

Are you processing your emotions in your own way and are okay with it? Or do you think the results of emotional/physical trauma has led you to this and you're bothered by it?

People deal with trauma differently. If you know people who knew you pre-trauma and are expressing concern, they may have a point to consider.
 

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Actually, I'm 34. My coldness is a result of life experience and a difficult, traumatic maturation process. So, what doesn't kill you makes you a cripple (or, cold). In my case both.

Ah, this is what I figured. You're just another person with wounded bird syndrome (not that unique or uncommon on typology forums). Consider some actual therapy options (I think everyone benefits from therapy no matter what their background is) and don't write off your empathetic potential quite yet.
 

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Actually, I'm 34. My coldness is a result of life experience and a difficult, traumatic maturation process. So, what doesn't kill you makes you a cripple (or, cold). In my case both.

I don't minimize your difficulty because I went through a period (I'm talking years) and still not what I consider back to my old self, that I felt pretty much dead inside as far as emotions go.I began to try to look at myself through others eyes and realized I was someone I really wouldn't want to be around. So , healthy or not, I determined to be more like someone that I enjoy being with. There are people that you don't have "awkward silence " with and you can just be yourself but for me thats just my wife. Friendly kids have more friends they say. Maybe that applies to everyone.I do feel much more emotion now and I have more friendships and more fun with those people. Sometimes it.takes.a lot of effort. I don't know your circumstances and they may be totally different.
 

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Ok. This sounds like something different than just inferior Fe but influenced by it/related.

Are you processing your emotions in your own way and are okay with it? Or do you think the results of emotional/physical trauma has led you to this and you're bothered by it?

People deal with trauma differently. If you know people who knew you pre-trauma and are expressing concern, they may have a point to consider.

No, I'm ok with that. I had a problems when I was younger, but now, at the other side of the hell, it's silence, and dispassion. Of course I have a tails of traumas, but as I'm growing older, I'm more and more collected and calm. It doesnt bother me at all. When you see 'the other side', dancing on the line of life and death, it's a life changing experience, you accept that life and death are just a transitional points. There is nothing to be affraid of.
 

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Ah, this is what I figured. You're just another person with wounded bird syndrome (not that unique or uncommon on typology forums). Consider some actual therapy options (I think everyone benefits from therapy no matter what their background is) and don't write off your empathetic potential quite yet.

You missed the point. I don't have a 'flat affect' as a result of trauma, the flat affect becomes my natural state as a result of staying alive, and surviving.



I don't minimize your difficulty because I went through a period (I'm talking years) and still not what I consider back to my old self, that I felt pretty much dead inside as far as emotions go.I began to try to look at myself through others eyes and realized I was someone I really wouldn't want to be around. So , healthy or not, I determined to be more like someone that I enjoy being with. There are people that you don't have "awkward silence " with and you can just be yourself but for me thats just my wife. Friendly kids have more friends they say. Maybe that applies to everyone.I do feel much more emotion now and I have more friendships and more fun with those people. Sometimes it.takes.a lot of effort. I don't know your circumstances and they may be totally different.

It's not that. But, thanks for not being stupid.
 

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You missed the point. I don't have a 'flat affect' as a result of trauma, the flat affect becomes my natural state as a result of staying alive, and surviving.

What you're experiencing is a kind of insulation and works as a defensive survival mechanism. To me it sounds like you have had life experiences that evoked uncomfortable and difficult emotions and where you are at is more about being at a threshold of ability to add more to them when the old ones are not fully processed. Is a kind of numbing-out, detachment, keeps you at arm's length from working through them.

What is your goal in discussing this?
 
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