[Alpha] ISFp= which MBTI type

[Smilephantomhive]

Before taking a closer look at socionics I was quite sure of the j/p switch, but after reading about the socionics functions I'm not sure of the correlations anymore. Socionics Si sounds like a mesh of MBTI Si and Se and socionics Se is just kind of weird. And so on.

The more I delve into socionics, its functions, and correlations to MBTI, the less people I find saying that the j and p switch. Now I don't know who's right or what to believe. Two different but similar systems, indeed.

Really? That's honestly all I know about socionics.

 

[Yama]

Really? That's honestly all I know about socionics.

Yeah. I think that's why it's so confusing. All based on the same stuff makes it seem like there's supposed to be some correlation but I don't even know anymore. I see plenty of j/p supporters, plenty of j/p deniers, and plenty of people who just say fuck it and have completely different MBTI/socionics types. Type is too hard

 

[Unkas]

and have completely different MBTI/socionics types. Type is too hard

What are you talking about? It's the same things - socionics and MBTI: 16 types, which based on EQUAL 4 features. I/E, T/F and so on

 

[Yama]

What are you talking about? It's the same things - socionics and MBTI: 16 types, which based on EQUAL 4 features. I/E, T/F and so on

I mean exactly what I said before. Some people say there's a j/p switch, some say there's not, and some people I have seen (although this is the minority) have listed in their profiles different types completely, j/p aside.

I wouldn't say socionics and MBTI are exactly the same, otherwise they wouldn't be called two different things. They're both based on the same foundation (Jung), yes. What confuses me about trying to "translate" type from one to the other is that the two systems explain the cognitive functions a bit differently. Si in socionics doesn't sound the same as Si in MBTI, etc.

 

[Unkas]

I wouldn't say socionics and MBTI are exactly the same, otherwise they wouldn't be called two different things.

sry than, english is not my native (

Si in socionics doesn't sound the same as Si in MBTI, etc.

First of all, function descriptions in both of tihs (version) of tipologies is nonstrict. So we can find any differences.
But generally it's the same. Isn't it? We can try to compare for example such descriptions.

 

[Yama]

First of all, function descriptions in both of tihs (version) of tipologies is nonstrict. So we can find any differences.
But generally it's the same. Isn't it? We can try to compare for example such descriptions.

But then if the definitions of the functions are the same (or at least similar enough), wouldn't ISFp = ISFJ then? They both use Si Fe Ti Ne.

 

[Unkas]

But then if the definitions of the functions are the same (or at least similar enough), wouldn't ISFp = ISFJ then? They both use Si Fe Ti Ne.

It's two different types, obviously.

 

[Yama]

It's two different types, obviously.
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I mean, I understand that there is an ISFp and an ISFj. I was just wondering if you had any reasons for ISFp = ISFP across systems beyond "the letters are the same" since the functions would support otherwise. This is why I'm confused. Everyone is giving a different answer.

 

[Unkas]

it's first time I see ISFp with "p" in a low register.
I have to confess I don't have any idea what does it mean ((

 

[Seymour]

it's first time I see ISFp with "p" in a low register.
I have to confess I don't have any idea what does it mean ((

Typically, ISFp indicates a socionics type, while ISFP indicates an MBTI type. Occasionally, some use lower-case letters for their weaker preferences, but seeing as this is in the socionics forum and the OP is asking about how a type relates to its MBTI equivalent, it's pretty certain that ISFp here indicates the socionics type.

 

[Unkas]

Typically, ISFp indicates a socionics type, while ISFP indicates an MBTI type. Occasionally, some use lower-case letters for their weaker preferences, but seeing as this is in the socionics forum and the OP is asking about how a type relates to its MBTI equivalent, it's pretty certain that ISFp here indicates the socionics type.

So, as MBTI = socionics, than ISFp = ISFP.

 

[Yama]

So far in this thread:

# of people who have answered...
ISFp (SEI) is ISFJ: 4
ISFp (SEI) is ISFP: 2
ISFp (SEI) can be either ISFP or ISFJ: 2
The systems are different, no correlation, or ambiguous answer: 5

If I'm counting correctly.

 

[Unkas]

ISFp (SEI) can be either ISFP or ISFJ:
:

SEI can't be ISFJ because SEI is no judging type, but it's perceiving
systems are the same, I told you.

 

[Yama]

SEI can't be ISFJ because SEI is no judging type, but it's perceiving
systems the same, I told you.

My last post I was just taking a tally of what other people have answered to this thread so far.

 

[Unkas]

My last post I was just taking a tally of what other people have answered to this thread so far.

my bad again >_<

 

[Yama]

my bad again >_<

No, it's no problem. Miscommunication is common in writing.

 

[Russian]

SEI can't be ISFJ because SEI is no judging type, but it's perceiving
systems are the same, I told you.

Понимаешь, Ункас, в mbti немного иной подход к дихотрмии J/P. По сути их "judging" не равносильно нашей рациональности (суждение по Юнгу). Judging - это перемножение вертности и нальности, об этом подробно написано в их википедии. Таким образом дихотомия J/P соответствует нашей соционической дихотомии динамика/статика. J - это динамики. ISFJ - это интроверт, сенсорик, этик, динамик = дюма. И функции соответственно у ISFJ - Si , Fe.
Косяк в том что большинство дюмашек по тестам выходят таки ISFP, потому что в тестах вопросы не на динамику, а на нальность. Нестыковка в теории.
Так что всё норм, ISFJ = SEI.
Functions is functions ©

 

[Russian]

Вот ты, Ункас, в профиле поставил ISTJ.
давай посмотрим какие функции у данного типа:

ISTJ, or Introverted Sensing Thinking Judger[edit]
is a label borrowed from MBTI nomenclature and now applied to the Jungian Cognitive Function set {Si, Te, Fi, Ne}.


Dominant: Introverted Sensation (Si)[edit]

ISTJ - Typology Wiki - источник.
Поэтому они своё J/P (динамика/статика) пишут с большой буквы, а наше j/p (рациональность/иррациональность) с маленькой, чтобы не путать эти разные дихотомии.
А то что наши русскоязычные соционики писали о соответствиях mbti и соционики - это всё хрень - тупые они и не сильно глубоко изучили американскую типологию.

Ты статик, а значит ISTP такие дела.
Этот вопрос давно был обсосан на социофоруме, так что велкам:
MBTI тест№2 • Психология и соционика

 

[Unkas]

Judging - это перемножение вертности и нальности, об этом подробно написано в их википедии. Таким образом дихотомия J/P соответствует нашей соционической дихотомии динамика/статика.

И тут идиоты достали..
Какое нахер перемножение? Почитай матчасть:
"Judging (J)
I use my decision-making (Judging) preference (whether it is Thinking or Feeling) in my outer life. To others, I seem to prefer a planned or orderly way of life, like to have things settled and organized, feel more comfortable when decisions are made, and like to bring life under control as much as possible."
The Myers & Briggs Foundation - Judging or Perceiving
Тут прямым текстом сказано про планирование, то есть про рациональность.
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а на социофоруме меня банят, я там больше не появлюсь.

 

[SearchingforPeace]

What happened to the English only rule?