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Strong Genetic Link To Homosexuality in Men Found

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Researchers Say Gene Changes Show Who'''s Gay - NBC News

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U.S. researchers say they've come up with a formula that can show someone's sexual orientation by looking at genetic changes.It's a controversial idea, and they have not made public the details of what they did. But the research, being presented at a meeting of genetics experts, suggests a variety of factors come together to help determine whether someone is gay or straight.
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Ngun and his colleagues came up with a computer algorithm, a formula, that suggested that patterns of methylation in nine regions were associated with sexual orientation with 67 percent of the time."

This is about as close as you can get to a genetic test for homosexuality. I think this is a fantastic discovery, and a great advancement for science. It seems to be setting of a bit of a moral firestorm for many though.

Discuss.
 

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This is really good news. Yesterday one of my colleagues found out that one of his cousins (who is a football player that plays for a club and has served in the army) is gay. He was really worried and so was his and the cousin's mutual friends. He was trying telling me that he is planning on 'talking some sense int to him'. Which doesn't make much sense because homosexuality isn't a choice and there have been for sometime speculation that this must be genetic. Also, even if it is a choice, it's that individual's choice and not yours. However, the argument should be put aside because if it's a choice most would be pressured out of being gay.

I should share this link with him.

 

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Very interesting stuff, and I thank you for sharing. I'm going to email this article to my gender & society professor tonight.

I'm going to pose this question now: Do you think that once more research has been done into this link, some anti-gay organizations will fund research into trying to create a ""cure""?? For so long the debate has been if being gay is a "lifestyle choice" or if it's genetic. Now that we're staring to come towards an answer ("officially", as I'm sure many people have argued that it's genetic for quite a while now), I wonder if this might become a possibility. But should it? Why or why not? Just to add some juiciness and debate into the discussion.

Speaking of which, I highly recommend the film "One Nation Under God." I believe it's still on Netflix. It's about viewing homosexuality as a disease and "conversion therapy" (unsurprisingly, most "cured" homosexuals either revert back to homosexuality after treatment or lead incredibly unhappy lives). I had to watch it for my gender class during the sexuality unit and it was fascinating.
 

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Do you think that once more research has been done into this link, some anti-gay organizations will fund research into trying to create a ""cure""??

I wouldn't be surprised. A "cure" would be in the distant future though. The science is simply not there to cure genetic disorders yet. It will get there, but I don't think we'll see it until the very tail end of our lifetime.

Even then, I am not opposed to a "cure". I think it should be an option for people if they want it. I do not think it should be applied to individuals under 18 since it's a personal thing though.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised. A "cure" would be in the distant future though. The science is simply not there to cure genetic disorders yet. It will get there, but I don't think we'll see it until the very tail end of our lifetime.

Even then, I am not opposed to a "cure". I think it should be an option for people if they want it. I do not think it should be applied to individuals under 18 since it's a personal thing though.

I definitely agree it should be an option for people who would want it; I'm just worried that people who otherwise would be completely comfortable with their sexuality would want it just to free themselves of social stigma, when rather it should be society's stigma that ceases imo.

Yes, it would have to happen a very long time from now--these things take a hell of a long time to make, and of course the link has to go through more confirmations and then potential medications would have to be tested and whatnot... whatever happens, probably will not happen in our lifetime.
 

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I definitely agree it should be an option for people who would want it; I'm just worried that people who otherwise would be completely comfortable with their sexuality would want it just to free themselves of social stigma, when rather it should be society's stigma that ceases imo.

Yes, it would have to happen a very long time from now--these things take a hell of a long time to make, and of course the link has to go through more confirmations and then potential medications would have to be tested and whatnot... whatever happens, probably will not happen in our lifetime.

That's part of the reason I'm not worried, actually. By the time a "cure" comes around I am all but convinced social stigma will be gone, or reduced to a meaningless point. Even then though it wouldn't change my views. When it comes to how I view a lot of scientific advancements, I'll quote GLaDOS "Appature science, we do what we must, because, we can". Where people say "why?" I say "...why not?".
 

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That's part of the reason I'm not worried, actually. By the time a "cure" comes around I am all but convinced social stigma will be gone, or reduced to a meaningless point. Even then though it wouldn't change my views. When it comes to how I view a lot of scientific advancements, I'll quote GLaDOS "Appature science, we do what we must, because, we can". Where people say "why?" I say "...why not?".

This is actually a very reassuring point of view that I think I'm going to adopt from now on. Thank you.
 

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Researchers Say Gene Changes Show Who'''s Gay - NBC News



This is about as close as you can get to a genetic test for homosexuality. I think this is a fantastic discovery, and a great advancement for science. It seems to be setting of a bit of a moral firestorm for many though.

Discuss.

Why do you consider that so?

I'm interested because I read a really good article in a book of a number of major contrary opinions which was written by someone who was opposed to "naturalistic" explanations of sexual orientation such as this as reductive or restrictive of human freedom, this was someone writing from the perspective of a Kersey style idea that the limits of human sexuality, including orientation, is actually imagination, as a consequence of the enlarged cerebal cortext in human beings meaning that they do not find themselves entirely compelled to conform to instinctual drives. That author described how they thought that perhaps the "naturalistic" or "normative" arguments about sexual orientation mattered to isolated or young homosexuals possibly in contexts likely to be discouraging or inhibiting but that in the greater scheme of things it was a blind alley.

I'm not sure that I support his perspective, I actually do not like the idea of homosexuality being or becoming a cultural war or cultural struggle, for a bunch of reasons I've mentioned before, I dont think it would be good for homosexuals, embattled or not, or heterosexuals or anyone else. I'm also not sure that either the cultural or the genetic explanation for homosexual behaviour really are useful intrinsically, I would question why this is still going on, what purpose it all serves.

I'm not convinced that this is not still part of a wider dilemma following the sexual revolutions of the sixties and seventies, to what extent can or should there be an expectation that strangers be validating and accepting of individuals personal choices, whether they are sexual or anything else, to what extent can or should "society" be expected to seek to engender the norms and customs and practices of minorities or outsiders within the mainstream? At what point is there a mainstream anymore?

I'd like to think there is a way to harmonise diversity and disparity which accepts the need for often unacknowledged and under valued norms, social institutions and values in reproducing society one generation after another, that there's hopes for an inclusive society to which individuals who dont conform to the norm dont feel alienated, but also to recognise that this may be a personal journey or reckoning or adjustment and adaptation, the implicit other directedness of seeking to set up constant other-validating norms is pretty unhealthy.

To be honest I'm not sure its possible at present, there's no need to be melodramatic about it or catastrophise about it, as I think I once did, but there's nothing but a spirit of enmity about this topic, I think there's people on all sides of the debate who need that and want it, Lowtechredneck when he visited used the analogy of a '80s highschool and I dont think they were wrong about that.
 

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Why do you consider that so?

I'm interested because I read a really good article in a book of a number of major contrary opinions which was written by someone who was opposed to "naturalistic" explanations of sexual orientation such as this as reductive or restrictive of human freedom, this was someone writing from the perspective of a Kersey style idea that the limits of human sexuality, including orientation, is actually imagination, as a consequence of the enlarged cerebal cortext in human beings meaning that they do not find themselves entirely compelled to conform to instinctual drives. That author described how they thought that perhaps the "naturalistic" or "normative" arguments about sexual orientation mattered to isolated or young homosexuals possibly in contexts likely to be discouraging or inhibiting but that in the greater scheme of things it was a blind alley.

I'm not sure that I support his perspective, I actually do not like the idea of homosexuality being or becoming a cultural war or cultural struggle, for a bunch of reasons I've mentioned before, I dont think it would be good for homosexuals, embattled or not, or heterosexuals or anyone else. I'm also not sure that either the cultural or the genetic explanation for homosexual behaviour really are useful intrinsically, I would question why this is still going on, what purpose it all serves.

I'm not convinced that this is not still part of a wider dilemma following the sexual revolutions of the sixties and seventies, to what extent can or should there be an expectation that strangers be validating and accepting of individuals personal choices, whether they are sexual or anything else, to what extent can or should "society" be expected to seek to engender the norms and customs and practices of minorities or outsiders within the mainstream? At what point is there a mainstream anymore?

I'd like to think there is a way to harmonise diversity and disparity which accepts the need for often unacknowledged and under valued norms, social institutions and values in reproducing society one generation after another, that there's hopes for an inclusive society to which individuals who dont conform to the norm dont feel alienated, but also to recognise that this may be a personal journey or reckoning or adjustment and adaptation, the implicit other directedness of seeking to set up constant other-validating norms is pretty unhealthy.

To be honest I'm not sure its possible at present, there's no need to be melodramatic about it or catastrophise about it, as I think I once did, but there's nothing but a spirit of enmity about this topic, I think there's people on all sides of the debate who need that and want it, Lowtechredneck when he visited used the analogy of a '80s highschool and I dont think they were wrong about that.

Saying this now, and only once: considering your history on these topics, and your views, I have zero interest in discussing any of it with you, and I do not intend to.

I also suggest others follow my lead.
 

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Ooh. Haven't read the article yet (so no nitpicking or crticisms atm) but imagine if there was a gradient to it?

"Well, Jane, the results are in and you appear to be 39% homosexual. With your signature, we can expedite the process of reclassifying you from a Kinsey 0 heterosexual to a Kinsey 2 bisexual. Your health records have already been updated."

Ignore me. I slept 2.5 hours.
 

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Ooh. Haven't read the article yet (so no nitpicking or crticisms atm) but imagine if there was a gradient to it?

"Well, Jane, the results are in and you appear to be 39% homosexual. With your signature, we can expedite the process of reclassifying you from a Kinsey 0 heterosexual to a Kinsey 2 bisexual. Your health records have already been updated."

Ignore me. I slept 2.5 hours.

Actually, this is a good point. I imagine from a genetic point of view it could at most predict the capacity for homosexuality. The article says it's talking about 'epigenetic' changes, which doesn't take the nurture out of nature here.
 

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Ooh. Haven't read the article yet (so no nitpicking or crticisms atm) but imagine if there was a gradient to it?

"Well, Jane, the results are in and you appear to be 39% homosexual. With your signature, we can expedite the process of reclassifying you from a Kinsey 0 heterosexual to a Kinsey 2 bisexual. Your health records have already been updated."

Ignore me. I slept 2.5 hours.

Well sexuality is a continuum, so it would be interesting to see if there is a connection with that and genetic markers. Even though I doubt it would be put on health reports unless it was totally accurate and relevant.
 

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P.S. The news article in OP ghey :D
 

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This is really interesting, and not all that surprising. I'm curious about a few things though... In the psychological community we generally consider sexuality to be somewhat of a spectrum rather than a more binary "gay or straight" situation. This has been true in my experience as well. I've had gay friends who have known since a pretty young age that they were "different," and have owned their sexuality since middle school. But I also had a college roommate who had no idea she had the capacity to be attracted to women until she started dating one at age 21. Logically, if there is a strong genetic connection wouldn't just deciding to experiment and then developing an attraction to the same sex be less likely?
 

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This is really interesting, and not all that surprising. I'm curious about a few things though... In the psychological community we generally consider sexuality to be somewhat of a spectrum rather than a more binary "gay or straight" situation. This has been true in my experience as well. I've had gay friends who have known since a pretty young age that they were "different," and have owned their sexuality since middle school. But I also had a college roommate who had no idea she had the capacity to be attracted to women until she started dating one at age 21. Logically, if there is a strong genetic connection wouldn't just deciding to experiment and then developing an attraction to the same sex be less likely?

The study was exclusive to men :)thumbdown:), as female sexuality seems to not fit the models for male sexuality. I suspect there is a genetic component there as well, but it's likely manifested differently.

Sexuality is indeed a continuum, but I think for the start of the research they are looking at it in a binary sense as a starting point. Once that's established, moved to things that don't fall as kinsey-6. I'm 100% homosexual, and the majority of gay men that I have met are as well. Even then, I would not be surprised if the genetics of homosexuality is paralleled to eye color. Yes, there's the classic brown, green, and blue, but there are mixes in between. No surprise eye color is controlled primarily by 9 genes.
 

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The study was exclusive to men :)thumbdown:), as female sexuality seems to not fit the models for male sexuality. I suspect there is a genetic component there as well, but it's likely manifested differently.

Sexuality is indeed a continuum, but I think for the start of the research they are looking at it in a binary sense as a starting point. Once that's established, moved to things that don't fall as kinsey-6. I'm 100% homosexual, and the majority of gay men that I have met are as well. Even then, I would not be surprised if the genetics of homosexuality is paralleled to eye color. Yes, there's the classic brown, green, and blue, but there are mixes in between. No surprise eye color is controlled primarily by 9 genes.

That makes sense. I don't know any men who consider themselves bisexual, and I know only one woman who actually considers herself a lesbian, as opposed to bisexual.
 

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Saying this now, and only once: considering your history on these topics, and your views, I have zero interest in discussing any of it with you, and I do not intend to.

I also suggest others follow my lead.

I was going to say it was strange that you wanted to post a thread you'd no intention of discussing but then I lost heart, its just one of the existential challenges to know that you guys will shape the world for future generations and you'll shape it this way.

Like its not enough that the planet itself is ruined and its resources spent.
 

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The study was exclusive to men :)thumbdown:), as female sexuality seems to not fit the models for male sexuality. I suspect there is a genetic component there as well, but it's likely manifested differently.

Sexuality is indeed a continuum, but I think for the start of the research they are looking at it in a binary sense as a starting point. Once that's established, moved to things that don't fall as kinsey-6. I'm 100% homosexual, and the majority of gay men that I have met are as well. Even then, I would not be surprised if the genetics of homosexuality is paralleled to eye color. Yes, there's the classic brown, green, and blue, but there are mixes in between. No surprise eye color is controlled primarily by 9 genes.

:mellow: :shock:
 

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I was going to say it was strange that you wanted to post a thread you'd no intention of discussing but then I lost heart, its just one of the existential challenges to know that you guys will shape the world for future generations and you'll shape it this way.

Like its not enough that the planet itself is ruined and its resources spent.

:mellow:
 

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I won't believe this until the scientists make public the details of what they did and this is proven through scientific method. Right now it's just a suggestion and sounds very psuedo-sciencey.
 
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