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[bohemian]

Sorry and thank you?

 

[Kingu Kurimuzon]

me. i'm a estp 7

 

[Elfboy]

[MENTION=5494]Amargith[/MENTION]
I suggest you read this. frankly, the Sx 4 doesn't sound like you at all. they are insanely aggressive, vengeful and angry and are said to be "the only time which can make the 8 back down".
http://personalitycafe.com/type-4-f...-according-beatrice-chestnut.html#post5788074
[MENTION=13377]pinkgraffiti[/MENTION]
you win, 7 sounds right for you, but Social 7, not Sexual 7

 

[Riva]

@Amargith
I suggest you read this. frankly, the Sx 4 doesn't sound like you at all. they are insanely aggressive, vengeful and angry and are said to be "the only time which can make the 8 back down".
http://personalitycafe.com/type-4-f...-according-beatrice-chestnut.html#post5788074
@pinkgraffiti
you win, 7 sounds right for you, but Social 7, not Sexual 7

I read the Sx 4 description and I am surprised. I am not saying I disagree with it. I don't know that many e4s from real life to compare.

However I know a few 5w4s (I tend to get disgusted by them) and they exhibit most if not all of the descriptions above with an e5 obvious aspects to them.

And if that description is correct it explains why 5w4s sound extremely vengeful. There are quite a few 5w4s who exhibit those traits in the forum and they are sx doms.

 

[pinkgraffiti]

[MENTION=13377]pinkgraffiti[/MENTION]
you win, 7 sounds right for you, but Social 7, not Sexual 7

ahahah that's hilarious.....me, having any grain of So in me? bwahahahhah

 

[Elfboy]

ahahah that's hilarious.....me, having any grain of So in me? bwahahahhah

let me get this straight, you support communism and you don't understand how you have even a grain of So in you?

 

[Hive]

let me get this straight, you support communism and you don't understand how you have even a grain of So in you?

Isn't there a difference?

So is about letting the bigger social sphere be an extension of the self, right? Belonging, connection, that kinda stuff?

What if you support communism because you think it's a fair and just system, aligning with your idea of how people ideally should behave in a society? And not necessarily because you seek a sense of community?

Are all So last libertarians?

I get why you'd make the connection between the two. I just think you can be a communist for other reasons than prioritizing the group.

EDIT: One goal of communism is dismantling government and the power structure inherent in such a society. Doesn't that strike you as something a So last could support?

 

[Elfboy]

Isn't there a difference?
So is about letting the bigger social sphere be an extension of the self, right? Belonging, connection, that kinda stuff?

also navigating social systems and keeping track of current events (be it industry standards, gossip etc), but pretty much, yeah

What if you support communism because you think it's a fair and just system, aligning with your idea of how people ideally should behave in a society?
And not necessarily because you seek a sense of community?
I get why you'd make the connection between the two. I just think you can be a communist for other reasons than prioritizing the group.

isn't the example in the first quote an example of prioritizing the group? someone who is not inclined to contemplate/consider the greater social sphere is not likely to see giving up over half their income for the sake of society as a fair arrangement (especially a Social last Id type. Social last 7s and 8s are unapologetically hedonistic and would never tolerate sacrificing their excess capital as would be mandated by communism). this would require a very "no man is an island" mindset that is quite foreign to a Social laster

Are all So last libertarians?

all social last types: no
social last 7s: frequently

EDIT: One goal of communism is dismantling government and the power structure inherent in such a society. Doesn't that strike you as something a So last could support?

this is part of what has always confused me about communism. no government = anarchy. anarchy is pretty far from communism and typically one of the most inequitable systems I can think of.

 

[Nicodemus]

someone who is not inclined to contemplate/consider the greater social sphere is not likely to see giving up over half their income for the sake of society as a fair arrangement (especially a Social last Id type. Social last 7s and 8s are unapologetically hedonistic and would never tolerate sacrificing their excess capital as would be mandated by communism).

To contemplate the greater social sphere, the structure of society, the form of government, the mechanisms of the market, one hardly needs to be particularly social-minded. You are part of and influenced by society whether you know it or not. It thus becomes a matter of prudence to contemplate its workings.

I have a very hedonistic ESTP friend who is also an avid defender of socialism. He once spent hours trying to convince me of its superiority to the current state of affairs, and he would have succeeded if I thought that humans could actually make it work.

 

[pinkgraffiti]

let me get this straight, you support communism and you don't understand how you have even a grain of So in you?

mistaking Fi with So? you deserve a kiss though

 

[Hive]

isn't the example in the first quote an example of prioritizing the group?

Not necessarily.

It's just the way you wish society to be. The important thing to consider would be why you have communist leanings.

Is it because you value the well being of the group, team effort and community? Because you think it's the most fair? Most practical or efficient? Simply because it's the lesser of evils?

Simply having an idea of the perfect society won't make you Social. I've read enough of your posts to know that you have very strong political leanings and has probably built a perfect libertarian utopia in your head. Usually you use your selfishness to justify these beliefs, but I'm sure they're also founded on a sense of fairness and what's right and wrong, no? If so, then both of you have your ideas of the ideal society based on subjective ethics, and the only difference would be that [MENTION=13377]pinkgraffiti[/MENTION] believes that sharing is caring whilst you do not, and according to you that would be enough to peg him/her as So dom. I think we need to look at the reasons why pinkgraffiti is a communist. Perhaps you know them, but all I saw was "communist = So dom", and I wanted to question that.

someone who is not inclined to contemplate/consider the greater social sphere is not likely to see giving up over half their income for the sake of society as a fair arrangement (especially a Social last Id type. Social last 7s and 8s are unapologetically hedonistic and would never tolerate sacrificing their excess capital as would be mandated by communism). this would require a very "no man is an island" mindset that is quite foreign to a Social laster

Most communists don't believe in profit. Nothing would be taken away from them.

this is part of what has always confused me about communism. no government = anarchy. anarchy is pretty far from communism and typically one of the most inequitable systems I can think of.

I'm not too well read on the subject, but communists believe in collective ownership (at least of the means of production) while many (most?) forms of anarchism still endorse private ownership and a monetary system. It's difficult to make such blanket statements about anarchists though; Many aspects of many schools of anarchism overlap with communism (anarchism is usually considered a far left-ideology), but you can find anarchists at both ends of the collectivism/individualism spectrum.

 

[Elfboy]

[MENTION=11809]unsung[/MENTION]

Most communists don't believe in profit. Nothing would be taken away from them.

and my point is that this is possibly the most non-Id belief I can think of. Id types are selfish and narcissistic by nature. we want to get as much for ourselves as possible. this is why Social 7 is the only 7 I could see being communist, because it's the "anti-gluttony 7"

 

[Elfboy]

mistaking Fi with So?

no, I'm saying that your beliefs are antithetical to the vices of gluttony (7) and lust (8).

you deserve a kiss though

*pushes away*
not until you transform into a cute boyband singer

 

[chickpea]

[MENTION=11809]unsung[/MENTION]

and my point is that this is possibly the most non-Id belief I can think of. Id types are selfish and narcissistic by nature. we want to get as much for ourselves as possible. this is why Social 7 is the only 7 I could see being communist, because it's the "anti-gluttony 7"

Political ideology has little to do with type. Just because you dislike communism doesn't mean someone who shares your type can't disagree. I know plenty of fiscally liberal 7s that aren't so-doms.

 

[Elfboy]

Political ideology has little to do with type.

gonna have to disagre here

Just because you dislike communism doesn't mean someone who shares your type can't disagree.

I can certainly see an ENFP being communist, but a Social last 7? no. 7s who are Social last are far too selfish to support communism (Self Preservation 7s in particular are the epitome of selfish). 7s have a drive for excess and self indulgence which is simply not possible if one is a communist

I know plenty of fiscally liberal 7s that aren't so-doms.

I know a few who are Sx/So, but none who are So-last. also, there is a big difference between fiscally liberal and straight up communism.

 

[chickpea]

gonna have to disagre here


I can certainly see an ENFP being communist, but a Social last 7? no. 7s who are Social last are far too selfish to support communism (Self Preservation 7s in particular are the epitome of selfish). 7s have a drive for excess and self indulgence which is simply not possible if one is a communist


I know a few who are Sx/So, but none who are So-last. also, there is a big difference between fiscally liberal and straight up communism.

You're equating self indulgence and excess with materialism which isn't always the case.

 

[Elfboy]

You're equating self indulgence and excess with materialism which isn't always the case.

almost. I'm equating gluttonous self indulgence and gluttonous excess with materialism. Social 7s are counter-gluttons (the relationship is similar to counter-phobic 6s with other 6s) and their narcissism comes more from a self concept of "I am good" "I am so generous" "I am selfless" (I like to refer to Social 7 as the 1-wannabe lol).

 

[HongDou]

almost. I'm equating gluttonous self indulgence and gluttonous excess with materialism. Social 7s are counter-gluttons (the relationship is similar to counter-phobic 6s with other 6s) and their narcissism comes more from a self concept of "I am good" "I am so generous" "I am selfless" (I like to refer to Social 7 as the 1-wannabe lol).

From my experience as a Social 7: nah son

I mean, Naranjo can say what he wants to say but I fit into both E7 and so/sx perfectly fine and somehow social 7 still sounds off. Perhaps there is some gluttony in being a good friend and being someone well-regarded by the community, but I think he's exaggerating a lot.

Also, you should talk to your Enneagram-mentor/Naranjo instructor about me and see what he says for my type. /unrelated

 

[Elfboy]

From my experience as a Social 7: nah son
I mean, Naranjo can say what he wants to say but I fit into both E7 and so/sx perfectly fine and somehow social 7 still sounds off. Perhaps there is some gluttony in being a good friend and being someone well-regarded by the community, but I think he's exaggerating a lot.
Also, you should talk to your Enneagram-mentor/Naranjo instructor about me and see what he says for my type. /unrelated

he would say you are a Sexual 7 (Sx/So obviously)

 

[HongDou]

he would say you are a Sexual 7 (Sx/So obviously)

Yeah, but tell me what he actually says!!

Also why would you think he'd say that?