RaptorWizard
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Here's some comments of mine taken from The ESFP "stupid" myth. thread:
I approve of this myth - even if some have higher IQs than my own (114), their orientiation to think at many levels and maintain higher focus won't ever be completely set.
I don't think you could find one famous ESFP philosopher in the entire history (and even unknown past) of the human race!
Still, it doesn't make them bad or unecessary people, it's just that their abilities and inclinations rest outside my zones of interest.
Well, not only are many not interested in topics such as metaphysics, philosophy, cosmology, enlightenment, and such, but they also quite often fight against progress in those areas. If there's one thing worse than a closed-minded person, it's a closed-minded person that closes our horizons. Like I said, they have their own intelligence, but it's in things of more mundane natures.
If an ESFP wants to tell me something of value, or better yet, let me tell them something of value, then I'll open up more; but until then, my attention remains focused elsewhere. You confuse me discounting other people with me not listening to them. I try to factor everyone's opinion, and I don't believe in destroying the rights of other people. We each deserve chances to be heard out and acknowledged, but some people (like general ESFPs) are less likely to have something or as much available for integration. They can do other things, like leading people, or throwing parties, and so forth.
Yes - if my mom's correct, my 17 yeard old sister is an ESFP.
I suppose I can depict her attributes here vaguely: She's quite popular and good at managing large groups of people. She's very practical and knows what will or won't work. She is very interested in outward success, balances efficient completion of required tasks with having fun. She loves politics, and has very strong opinions not too subject for change.
You are free to believe whatever you wish; I'm just presenting my worldview - whether or not it's accurate is very open to debate.
You actually have a good point about me thinking in terms of absolutes, maybe that isn't holistic enough. Still, it fits my own observations and experience that ESFPs, in general, do those things.
But that doesn't make them wiser or more able to develop great ideas; it just means they're better problem solvers and have a faster wit.
I approve of this myth - even if some have higher IQs than my own (114), their orientiation to think at many levels and maintain higher focus won't ever be completely set.
I don't think you could find one famous ESFP philosopher in the entire history (and even unknown past) of the human race!
Still, it doesn't make them bad or unecessary people, it's just that their abilities and inclinations rest outside my zones of interest.
Well, not only are many not interested in topics such as metaphysics, philosophy, cosmology, enlightenment, and such, but they also quite often fight against progress in those areas. If there's one thing worse than a closed-minded person, it's a closed-minded person that closes our horizons. Like I said, they have their own intelligence, but it's in things of more mundane natures.
If an ESFP wants to tell me something of value, or better yet, let me tell them something of value, then I'll open up more; but until then, my attention remains focused elsewhere. You confuse me discounting other people with me not listening to them. I try to factor everyone's opinion, and I don't believe in destroying the rights of other people. We each deserve chances to be heard out and acknowledged, but some people (like general ESFPs) are less likely to have something or as much available for integration. They can do other things, like leading people, or throwing parties, and so forth.
Yes - if my mom's correct, my 17 yeard old sister is an ESFP.
I suppose I can depict her attributes here vaguely: She's quite popular and good at managing large groups of people. She's very practical and knows what will or won't work. She is very interested in outward success, balances efficient completion of required tasks with having fun. She loves politics, and has very strong opinions not too subject for change.
You are free to believe whatever you wish; I'm just presenting my worldview - whether or not it's accurate is very open to debate.
You actually have a good point about me thinking in terms of absolutes, maybe that isn't holistic enough. Still, it fits my own observations and experience that ESFPs, in general, do those things.
But that doesn't make them wiser or more able to develop great ideas; it just means they're better problem solvers and have a faster wit.