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The ones I've seen on here or on tape seem like the type to stand their ground in a conflict, although maybe they just come off that way in the privacy of their own homes.
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she has zero Se Qi. When I look at her I feel like I'm looking at gold leaf. extremely fragile.
If I invited all my friends to have a nerf gun war in her house, she'd flip a shit.
Typical INFP.
First, I think it's more important to ask WHY either would enter into a conflict?
What motivated Joan of Arc and William Wallace [Ni/Fe users]? Two things, they were both Fe users and they both reverted to their Se under stress. So what does a combo of Ni/Fe do? It surveys the emotional climate and knows instinctively the right way to proceed with those around it. It considers others' feelings, often before it considers its own when responding to them. When Ni/Fe enters a room or a situation, it says something like, "Who can I connect with here? What can we learn from each other?" In a conflict, Ni/Fe first tries to be objective, to see the big picture and to take into consideration everyone involved. In the case of INFJ warriors it usually boils down to the fact that there is some grossly inhumane treatment of others who lack the power or knowledge to defend themselves, i.e, the poor Frenchmen in Joan's village, the Scotts who had been bullied for years by the English [hence, INFJs are called the protectors].
Now what motivates Fi/Ne to conflict action? I have a good INFP friend in real life. I've never seen her actually engage in any kind of conflict. As a child, I actually tackled a boy twice my size, a big bully. The other boys had to pull me off him. She would NEVER have done that. She would have probably written letters to the teachers complaining about the bully or maybe she would have mumbled something derogatory every time someone mentioned his name.
Recently, she was distraught over an article she read promoting the destruction of all cats. She was so upset that she wrote long, rambling letters to her senators and congressmen. She is NOT likely to engage in physical conflict. She seeks authenticity in the people she forms relationships with. Therefore, she can literally count her close friends on one hand. She is socially awkward, but she has a quiet cuteness about her.
I've intervened on the behalf of others numerous other times too, and though it usually doesn't escalate to physical action I've never hesitated to engage in that way. I think that's the reason I resonate so with William Wallace (besides the fact that I'm part Scottish-- haha.) and similar characters. Come to think of it, the only movies I ever cry in are films that have some sort of sacrificial bravery, revolution or just act of courage.
If there's an MBTI type most likely to cherish movies like Braveheart, I'd say it's the NFJ. There seems to be something about the combination of NF with J that leads people to particularly love stories where powerful evildoers finally get their (often violent) comeuppance at the hands of the noble, oppressed little guys and justice is served ... [and] it sounds to me like you've got a fairly strong streak that corresponds to that special hate that it seems to me that NFJs (and perhaps INFJs especially) are prone to have in the face of some powerful person or group inflicting oppression/injustice/etc. on some underdog or disadvantaged group, and that special calling to nobly stand up for the oppressed and fight the oppression.
I think of a special love for Braveheart and noble sacrifice as a quintessential NFJ thing. Here's part of a post I made in a male INFJ's type-me thread (at INTJforum) a few months ago:
also...this one is sooo good. please watch it.
"Noble Sacrifice" is a quintessential NF characteristic.
The ones I've seen on here or on tape seem like the type to stand their ground in a conflict, although maybe they just come off that way in the privacy of their own homes.
^ Well, if you Google infj martyr, you'll see that the association of INFJs with a martyr streak isn't an original idea of mine.
And it may be worth noting that INFJs' closest cousins on the S side are the ISFJs, who are probably the types most often described as vulnerable to being taken advantage of as a result of their strong service-to-others streak.
I googled INFP martyr and came up with this:
INFP-"the martyr"- This type tends to sacrifice themselves in an effort to promote their peculiar sense of truth.
Then I googled ENFP martyr and came up with this:
My ENFp has martyr tendencies. She has a way to take blame for anything she did not do or can not have controlled
Then I googled ENFJ martyr and found this:
ENFjs are the self-sacrificial martyrs of the types
also...this one is sooo good. please watch it.
[MENTION=5418]Lady X[/MENTION], wow that is great. It totally makes me think of a similar interaction I had with an INFJ who was also a four, and it played out in the exact same way. Thanks so much for posting that.
[MENTION=17697]small.wonder[/MENTION], I would say watch the video above and decide which one you relate to more. It really shows the difference between the types.
Um, yeah, OK. So if you're happy to find one anonymous quote, I'd guess you could find something on the internetz to support just about any position. And your point is...?
As I understand it, as among the NFs, INFJs are the ones most often described in terms of a potential martyr streak, and that's also consistent with my forum type-me experiences and my RL experience.
For whatever anybody thinks that's worth.
I already asked her about organization, and she said she likes everything in its place. Also, if you look in the background, you can tell her house is immaculate.