[MENTION=17911]Maybe[/MENTION]
ESTp (socionics SLE) and 8 work very well together because you have Fi point of least resistance (Fi plays no part in ESTP's life) and Si ignoring (ESTP's naturally ignore subjective sensations such as pain and internal body needs like hunger. I suppose Si could also help out with emotion.) Its as if Naranjo is describing SLE's directly and not the 8 itself.
But as far as ENFp goes, if we reduce the functions entirely down to their most primitive form, we might still be able to fit 8 in there somewhere.
Ne = scanning the immediate environment for that which isn't directly apparent.
Fi = subjective ethics, being able to pick up on the internal emotional state of other people
Te = objective logic, being able to judge facts as objective/subjective
Si = subjective sensing, sensory data that is relevant only to the user such as nostalgic smells or awareness of homeostatic states.
8's go to "excess" as an overcompensation due to lack of "aliveness." 8's value intense emotions, intense flavors, intense music, intense everything.
So I think if you fit these characteristics you're probably an ENFP 8, or a disintegrated 2, or an 8 wing.
I've also attributed E8 to being direct in their language as a result of their lack of caring about how they come off, as well as a lack of fear of conflict. This is not something an ENFP has ever proven to me that they're capable of doing. I find most ENFP's who have a problem with me tend to talk in strawman and speak through implications and double messages before saying something like, "You're pissing me off, stop." (there was a 9 who told me I was annoying once, however)
I have almost never heard an enfp speak to me in that way.
ENFJ 8's, however. Now that's a completely different story.
I'd say that a person's cognitive function set really has nothing to do with their type. Enneagram is about motivations and desires, while JCF/MBTI is about how your mind processes things. Any type can use any function set. Of course, some types will tend to go with certain function sets, and certain pairings are more LIKELY to be mistyped. But I don't see how ENFP is even among those for an 8. The type most often correlated with 8 is Se-dominant; and Ne dominant is not really that different... it's still an extroverted perceiving function, it's just that the Ne dom would read between the lines whereas the Se dom would see what's there, what they can gather through the senses. It makes sense to me that 8, being a body type, most in touch with body, and known as such a "carnal" type would be correlated with an Se mindset, but as a whole mind, Ne and Se dominants can look similar. It doesn't seem that far of a cry to me.
But, the contradiction you mentioned is interesting, and it's something that I've run across on the forum. My writing style may not "seem" type 8-ish because it's not always concise and to the point. But, what's important to keep in mind is that my INTENTION is not to be indirect; it's just that I'm allowing my Ne ramble to come out. What you mention about 8s being less aware of what people think is true with me - and this is *why* I allow my posts to be that way.
I'm direct when I have something direct to say. If someone pisses me off, I say it; no fear of conflict. I'm beyond straight-forward in my friendships, business dealings, and relationships. But no matter how honest and up front and open-book I am, I don't always seem direct and "to the point" in someone else's view, because of the way my mind works. I end up in inferior Si/ tertiary thinking rambles. I get lost in details. It ends up appearing indirect because my Ne is running rampant, I think? (This was pointed out to me recently.) But, the problem of "not caring/noticing how I come off to others" is why this happens. Sometimes I'm brash and blunt, and other times I might appear to "beat around the bush " - not because I'm intending to avoid something, but because I'm just letting my mind go forward and not double-checking myself. The *most* direct / honest thing I can do is ramble, lol!
Not sure if that explains how an 8ish mentality can fit with ENFP, but that was what I thought of when you wrote that contradiction at the end. The contradiction you mention is that someone who is an ENFP doesn't SEEM direct, but in my case, that's just the presentation of my Ne-dom mind, and my intention is always to be direct. If I'm not going to be direct, I don't see much point in talking at all.
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8's go to "excess" as an overcompensation due to lack of "aliveness." 8's value intense emotions, intense flavors, intense music, intense everything.
Haha, this is true - but imagine an 8 who values intensity and uses Ne, indulging in the correlations their mind is making, indulging in conversation, indulging in their perceptions?? If a person is a 5-fixed 8 and uses Ne, this kind of directness and yet, rambling presentation, seems especially likely.
