People can do that, just to manipulate, and it not be their true preference. Again, that could even be Trickster or Demon Fe.
What made you think Demon Ne?Yes, Beebe is the one who made me start thinking I had demon Ne instead of dom Ne.
I'm still deciding what I think about that.
I never even knew that. Yeah, that's even more evidence of some sort of personality "mask"! And the nationalism is not necessarily Fe either. It too is just used as part of an [impersonal] agenda.That's true. Because Hitler never mentioned love of humanity in speeches from the 1920s-30s. He mentioned love of the German people and Germany itself.
What made you think Demon Ne?
The Demonic Personality Complex is basically constellated as a reaction against severe threats to the ego, like where you fear something or someone is trying to destroy your sense of identity or what you stand for. A lot of things may make a person feel that kind of threat, and hence, the function may come up strongly, as the right-brain alternative.
ESxP's: emergent conceptualization makes me feel totally lost and you're taking advantage of this:
•[I "over-read 'between the lines'" and project this onto you by "misinterpreting the meaning of someone's actions and attributing ne
gative intentions where there were none" (Berens)], so I'm going to react accordingly."
BEST!
After going along with the herd with INFJ for a while, I think ISTJ is a much better type call for Hitler. So much better that I thought of creating a new thread on the topic, but then I decided to bump this one instead.
As always it is necessary to state up front that not everybody goes along with their type. But in this case, Hitler's belief in the existence of "golems" demonstrates the presence of an inferior function related to Si: his inner world was full of strange objects that he believed existed in reality. "God" might be considered one of them, but for Hitler it is just a conservative Si belief that coincides with being raised a Catholic.
The idea that Hitler was an INFJ because he had a desire to produce artworks is a false stereotype. In fact, his primary desire growing up was to join the Catholic priesthood.
Hitler's nationalistic fervor is Si at its worst.
If Hitler was an INFJ or ISFJ, the Fe is not very apparent. But the Te is very apparent. It gave him the ability to amass and organize vast armies, and perhaps also the ability to manipulate his audiences through his fervent git'r'dun speeches.
ISTJ Motivational Posters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqv7StpErdk
I never even knew that. Yeah, that's even more evidence of some sort of personality "mask"! And the nationalism is not necessarily Fe either. It too is just used as part of an [impersonal] agenda.
Is that your primary experience of Ne? Does Se usually carry a more natural, positive feeling? (Remember, whichever one is going to be the ego's main world-view).This is probably my worst flaw:
I can't tell you how much that is so me.
I also started thinking since I always felt I "had a lot of Si for an ENFP" that perhaps it's because Si is my Opposing Personality Complex instead of my Inferior.
Is that your primary experience of Ne? Does Se usually carry a more natural, positive feeling? (Remember, whichever one is going to be the ego's main world-view).
You don't identify at all with :
"zero in on isolated details, hastily acting on them in a chaotic disjointed way" (Berens):
•feels undone by emergent tangible experience not under control of conceptual knowledge, and projects by trying to destroy others with rash impulsive reactions
Well, maybe you could be ESFP. You always did seem more conceptual minded, and NF-ish in some of the stuff you talk about. Or it could just be the parent Fi I was seeing.
Hitler's belief in golems? Where did you hear about this? Concerning astrology, Hitler didn't really believe in astrology or much of the occult. Deputy Führer Rudolf Hess was the one really into astrology.In Hitler's case, his belief in the existence of golems does not strike me as highly influential, and from my Jungian reading it seems to be due to the influence of an inferior function (such as Ne). If it's true what they say about his interest in astrology and the like (Nostradamus), then that is just Si evincing an inferior function.
Hitler's belief in golems? Where did you hear about this? Concerning astrology, Hitler didn't really believe in astrology or much of the occult. Deputy Führer Rudolf Hess was the one really into astrology.
Source?Golems were Jewish mythological creatures allegedly sent to kill Hitler, he feared them so he must have believed in them.
No, he didn't. He often dismissed astrology as nothing more than "Medieval rubbish", and often privately mocked those Nazis like Himmler and Rosenberg especially who took it seriously. Goebbels did use Nostradamus largely as a propaganda tool, but so did the Allies for that matter.Yep, Hess was into astrology, but Hitler was into Nostradamus, possibly as a propaganda tool and possibly also as a personal belief.
That's questionable at best, since Nostradamus makes references to "Hister", which was the old name for the Danube. Of course John Hogue tries to twist this around by claiming Hitler was born on the Danube. However the Quatrains are often vague as to mean anything you want.Nostradamus allegedly predicted his rise to power, and also his eventual victory.
Yes I've heard this story too. However, you often only hear about this in the specific subgenre specifically dealing with Nazism and the Occult, which presents significant problems - as Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke has ironically noted.Hitler famously believed his life was saved during a WWI battle by an occult presence whispering to him to move a few feet from where an enemy shell then landed.
Source?
No, he didn't. He often dismissed astrology as nothing more than "Medieval rubbish", and often privately mocked those Nazis like Himmler and Rosenberg especially who took it seriously. Goebbels did use Nostradamus largely as a propaganda tool, but so did the Allies for that matter.
That's questionable at best, since Nostradamus makes references to "Hister", which was the old name for the Danube. Of course John Hogue tries to twist this around by claiming Hitler was born on the Danube. However the Quatrains are often vague as to mean anything you want.
Hitler famously believed his life was saved during a WWI battle by an occult presence whispering to him to move a few feet from where an enemy shell then landed.
It's not to be found on the internet, so you won't have ready confirmation. Believe what you want. Not every fact that exists is found on the net. When and for how long he believed in golems I can't say, but it was probably toward the end of his career when his sanity was slowly being reduced by paranoia, and he believed that he had enemies everywhere.
I didn't misread you, I answered this quite forcefully that Hitler denounced this stuff as rubbish.I believe you misread me. I amended my previous statement to say Hess-astology and Hitler-Nostradamus. How seriously Hitler took it depended on what the Quatrains said about his future victory. If they predicted victory, then Hitler believed Nostradamus.
Actually I did respond. Even if true, it doesn't prove much - certainly not Hitler's belief in Nostradamus.No response?