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    It's probably solar flare activity or ancient aliens roasting marshmallows under the Antarctic ice.
    Saw a giant billboard today for the "Picard" movie; at this point, they probably should've just rebooted the entire franchise or not made the film at all. Stewart is getting up there in age.
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    I read a post about most coastal areas having massive problems in 5 years, the Maldives being completely drowned, half of Bangladesh being flooded in the next decade, and at the end it says this text was written 30 years ago.

    Global warming is real, but the scare mongering is often too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace_ View Post
    I read a post about most coastal areas having massive problems in 5 years, the Maldives being completely drowned, half of Bangladesh being flooded in the next decade, and at the end it says this text was written 30 years ago.

    Global warming is real, but the scare mongering is often too much.

    Well, that is typical media sensationalism, since that sales and average person know little to nothing about climate and related systems. Although I once went through the article that says that this is actually a strategy to discard the global warming as an idea, creating a straw man is actually one of the oldest tricks in the book. Not to mention that Hollywood didn't make a single realistic movie about this, since that wouldn't sell.

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    Plus I would like to say that even the term global warming itself is a straw man to some degree and better term is climate change. Which is because temperature is only one component of the issue (but important component). However in the mix you also have precipitations amounts and how they are scattered through the year, changes in average snow cover, species moving into what is now better environment for them (and therefore chaos in food chains), you have ocean acidification problem (what is toying with food for billions of people), you have increased pressure on infrastructure from "freaky weather", you have more energy in the system and therefore more turbulence (to the point of braking polar vortex, what creates very cold spells), ... etc.


    In my book "global climate destabilization" would be the best term for what we have at this point of the process. First you have to brake the system in order to make another one.

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    The thing is that I don't agree with people who claim this is all in the air. Here there are actual pictures of glaciers taken in the past and a more modern version. At this point the problem isn't even "abstract" anymore.


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    Capitalism is destroying the earth's capacity to support life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Capitalism is destroying the earth's capacity to support life.


    Perhaps, but over last few centuries we didn't have a major political system that truly cared about nature. So destroying nature is more of a general human thing than Capitalism thing.

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    Something I ran into.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    It's probably solar flare activity or ancient aliens roasting marshmallows under the Antarctic ice.
    I dont think its either of those things but I do think that alternative explanations for some of what is being discovered should be taken a lot more seriously than it is being taken.

    For instance, its only recently that I've heard discussion of alternative explanations for the decline of fish in british coastal fishing waters for reasons other than over fishing and disputations of European Union regulation of fisheries, probably because those explanations of depletion of fish stocks dont matter so much with the exit of the European Union.

    Now the explanation is that climate change and temperature changes of the coastal waters has resulted in fish stock changes, the usual Cod and Haddock are finding it too warm and moving out, Lobsters and Crabs are moving in.

    I've also read some interesting things about the "weaponization" or at least "exploitation" of pollution, including acid rain and other pollutions, the factories spew it out, the main negative consequences are beyond the borders of the nations which are producing it and so they dont care about it but will allege any regulation of them is "dirty protectionism" and a "cap on development". If that where not sinister enough there actually is some evidence to suggest that some first world nations actually ARE looking upon it as a form of "dirty protectionism" and "cap on development" (!).

    Its an interesting topic, I also like some of the eco-socialist thinking about things but it can be pretty whack, like I mean predicting ecological apocalypse which will probably leave the majority of the world back in the stone age dependent on mono-crops of corn or potatoes.

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