Does anyone else find police officers to be obnoxious?

[Yuurei]

Not anywhere obnoxious as making generalized, blanket statements about an occupation made up of hundreds of thousands of individuals.

I have met some obnoxious police officers, I have some very kind ones.

Grow the hell up.

 

[The Cat]

 

[ceecee]

Funny. That's kind of my issue with them now. They are automotons.

I wish they could be trusted. But that doesnt match my experience. They are merely people who perpetuate the illusion that they are your friends. They are not. They've for the most part I think being militarized. And the military is not for policing the people its for fighting the enemey. When you militarize cops, you're taking the people they should be protecting, and making those same people the enemy. It doesnt work.

They are entirely militarized if they wish to be. The 1033 Program transfers excess military equipment to civilian law enforcement agencies. The program legally requires the Department of Defense to make various items of equipment available to local law enforcement. For free. Obama made some headway in curbing this but of course Trump rolled all that back. So many people are unaware of this program so I mention it frequently. $5.1 billion in military material has been transferred since 1997, $449 million was transferred in 2013 alone.

Because every police force no matter how small, needs a tank. Naturally there are all kinds of compliance issues because when you militarize the police force, just like the military, add some fetishist worship, paid patriotism and very little accountability for their actions - they don't have to answer to Americans any more than the military does.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Funny. That's kind of my issue with them now. They are automotons.

I wish they could be trusted. But that doesnt match my experience. They are merely people who perpetuate the illusion that they are your friends. They are not. They've for the most part I think being militarized. And the military is not for policing the people its for fighting the enemey. When you militarize cops, you're taking the people they should be protecting, and making those same people the enemy. It doesnt work.

I’ve seen enough prejudice and small mindedness in cops. Not to mention sheriffs (usually elected in their countries) enacting, enforcing or endorsing stupid policies just to appease their electorate and stay in office, like Joe Arpaio or these dipshits in parts of VA declaring “sanctuary counties” to appeal to their gun loving citizens. Yes, I’d prefer scary robot cops

 

[Virtual ghost]

They are entirely militarized if they wish to be. The 1033 Program transfers excess military equipment to civilian law enforcement agencies. The program legally requires the Department of Defense to make various items of equipment available to local law enforcement. For free. Obama made some headway in curbing this but of course Trump rolled all that back. So many people are unaware of this program so I mention it frequently. $5.1 billion in military material has been transferred since 1997, $449 million was transferred in 2013 alone.

Because every police force no matter how small, needs a tank. Naturally there are all kinds of compliance issues because when you militarize the police force, just like the military, add some fetishist worship, paid patriotism and very little accountability for their actions - they don't have to answer to Americans any more than the military does.

I fully understand the bad side of this but isn't this in a way logical ? I mean in a country where citizens have military equipment legally it kinda makes sense that law enforcement is like this and with "shoot first, ask questions latter" attitude. After all in the neighborhoods that are in a state of social collapse the only way you can enforce anything is through stuff like this.

 

[ceecee]

I fully understand the bad side of this but isn't this in a way logical ? I mean in a country where citizens have military equipment legally it kinda makes sense that law enforcement is like this and with "shoot first, ask questions latter" attitude. After all in the neighborhoods that are in a state of social collapse the only way you can enforce anything is through stuff like this.

But it's not a defense against the citizens that have military equipment. Cops are often on their side.

Police officer to Virginia politicians: Real cops won’t confiscate firearms

But you are correct about the socially collapsed neighborhoods. Is it logical? Sure. Should it continue? No. But it will because there is true hatred of the poor in the US. Which is why, urban or rural, this country is hoping that they die and often get the police to assist with that goal.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

But it's not a defense against the citizens that have military equipment. Cops are often on their side.

Police officer to Virginia politicians: Real cops won’t confiscate firearms

But you are correct about the socially collapsed neighborhoods. Is it logical? Sure. Should it continue? No. But it will because there is true hatred of the poor in the US. Which is why, urban or rural, this country is hoping that they die and often get the police to assist with that goal.

Northam has made it clear multiple times he's not authorizing guns being taken away. There's nothing in the new bill sanctioning mass confiscation of guns. I agree with the second amendment but I think the gun nuts are overreacting to this. This author is a dipshit, the sources he links to are essentially propaganda.

How about the police take a similar stand against unlawful searches, faulty field drug testing kits that often lead to false positives, etc?

 

[ceecee]

Northam has made it clear multiple times he's not authorizing guns being taken away. There's nothing in the new bill sanctioning mass confiscation of guns. I agree with the second amendment but I think the gun nuts are overreacting to this.

How about the police take a similar stand against unlawful searches, faulty field drug testing kits that often lead to false positives, etc?

When don't gun nuts overreact? The only groups I've heard myself recently that don't sound crazy are the socialist rifle associations who do support the proposed laws in VA and elsewhere. I was not aware there were that many socialist rifle association chapters but there are.

How great would that be? But I have yet to hear one advocate for anything on the right side of the law, publicly or in private. No cops I know personally do - they feel liberal public defenders and the ACLU coddle criminals and make their job harder. Even though those cops could just as easily be the victim of unlawful searches and faulty field drug testing.

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Even though those cops could just as easily be the victim of unlawful searches and faulty field drug testing.

These types of people typically don't freak out about this or see it as an issue until it happens to them.

 

[Virtual ghost]

But it's not a defense against the citizens that have military equipment. Cops are often on their side.

Police officer to Virginia politicians: Real cops won’t confiscate firearms

But you are correct about the socially collapsed neighborhoods. Is it logical? Sure. Should it continue? No. But it will because there is true hatred of the poor in the US. Which is why, urban or rural, this country is hoping that they die and often get the police to assist with that goal.

Sympathy is one thing but realism and policy are another. (in my book)
If public is well armed and pretty free about it the police simply needs to be militarized. Ok, I am applying my local logic that is government centered but otherwise you are indeed risking constant mess. If you lower the guns on police and keep them on people then people will become police. What is "questionable" situation/plan. In USA that perhaps has some legitimacy, but in the old world this just weakens the state and then neighboring countries will feel invited to take the land. This is exactly why I replied to you today the part about how American culture always thinks that it can just reinvent itself. What stands if you are isolated, but in overcrowded and interconnected world as soon as you divide or scatter the house someone else will take your influence, business etc. Either you have a system or the odds are that you will get overwhelmed by someone that has better social organization. This is pretty harsh worldview but I am finding it more correct than false.

 

[Warrior]

I can't help but feel personally affected this. My mother was beaten with a bat every night by a police officer she was married to at the end of the century, and no one believed her or wanted to give custody of my half sister to her cause they thought she was nuts and lying. ("why would the good ol sheriff do that?") Sound familiar? *coughs witch hunt* I'll just leave it at that. my sister's father eventually agreed to give her up somehow. Then my mom marries my dad and he divorces her this time. well, at least the good ol boy system of cops and beer drinkin buddies down south led to my birth! (and trauma from being without a father in the end). Toxic masculinity is real, feminists just need to redefine it. I was watching RT (although I loathe that network) and a feminist was claiming boy scouts roughhousing was "toxic masculinity". That's feminazism. But women have it rough. DELETED CONTROVERSIAL POST ABOUT CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC

 

[The Cat]

 

[Mole]

In Oz police officers are benignly authoritarian. They rely on their uniform to give them authority, and if we respect their authority, they treat us well. But it is a mistake to flout their authority, because it is so fragile, it must be defended at all costs.

 

[Maou]

Police offers don't really bother me, and I know a little bit about protocal, as I am friends with multiple people who went to school to be police. Personally, all of my experiences with them have been positive, due to them intervening in my childhood against my parent's domestic violence frequently. I mean, they didn't shoot my mom when she was roided out on meth and running and jumping 6 foot fences while running from police.

I don't really see how they treat people any different than others in any other job, but I think people naturally realize the police have actual authority and feel inferior, and dislike this. Which can result in paranoia amd projection. This, combined with some police officer's jaded and no bullshit attitude can make for a bad combo. There are definately some bad eggs out there, and some states have way more aggressive handling training than others. But overall, I don't think they are obnoxious. I do hate getting speeding tickets though.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

Thing that annoys me is every cop I’ve ever talked to has to act like they’re the smartest guy in the world, but they’re usually dumbasses. Bootlicking authoritarians.

 

[The Cat]

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

I've had a couple of strange, bad incidents with cops and then some that were normal interactions.

My worst one happened when I lived out of town in the mountains. The drive home was hilly, so difficult to maintain a constant speed. I drove it relatively conservatively going a little over the speed limit down the hills and a little under up the hills to minimize using excess gas. A cop pulled me over and asked me all the questions, and I answered. He felt a little brusk, but not an issue until he handed me the warning to sign and saw my hand shaking when I signed my name. It wasn't a big deal, but he started saying, "Should I call search and rescue? We can't have you driving all crazy over the road", and he was swinging his arms around. I looked down and not at him and kept repeating, "no", shaking my head. After a while he stopped.

I was scared because all I could think is, "I'm alone on a rural road with an insane person who has a gun". I went into that freeze, understated mode. I think he was a bully and saw that I was actually intimidated when my hand shook a little, and then had fun with it. IDK. The incident doesn't make much sense to me and that's the best I could come up with. Someone once suggested that maybe he thought I was on drugs, but that would be quite a stretch. I was able to sign - my hand wasn't shaking that much. I was also only going 5-10 miles above the speed limit on the downhill.

Other cops have been just a bit rude and stringent. When I lived in MN there was an ice storm where there was zero traction quickly, and when I hit my breaks at a stoplight, I was only going 10 mph, but had zero traction and hit the bumper of the car in front of me. He gave me a citation which seemed a bit harsh. It was a depressing day. I was going over to see my cat during a divorce.

There was one more incident when my car was totaled during a left turn by someone gunning a very red light. The cop was extremely rude to me and asked if I was drinking, so I said feel free to give me the test. I was confused because I think I had a mild concussion, but he was treating me like I was confused before the accident. He put the entire blame on me, and treated me like a wayward drunk. Yes, I have a doctorate and am a high level professional, but once again, I was vulnerable. In this instance not just mildly because I was alone in a city with no one to call, had totaled my car, and was suffering mild brain damage. Oh, don't do that in front of a cop.

I think in these instances I gave off a slightly vulnerable vibe emotionally and they HATE that.

 

[The Cat]

 

[The Cat]