Hate: How do have hate in your heart? What do you hate?

[Peter Deadpan]

I carry all my hate in my liver.

 

[Lark]

I agree with the quote but I haven't quite reached that level of self-discipline yet. My goal is to go from hate ---> to disgust----> to disappointment -----> to mere amusement.

I'm not sure that emoting of any sort is to be recommended. I can understand how its something that's easier to quit than it actually is. Maybe substituting one sort of emotional reaction for another can have some good but I'm not quite sure why the ones you mention are better than hatred. Are those more neutral or distant or something? What's the value in being neutral or distant, come to think of it?

 

[Lark]

How I hate:

That episode was so deep, the toxic emotions of both characters totally made those characters, if it makes sense, also I've wondered whether or not the characters which have gone on to appear in future episodes are the toxic ones or not, was it possible that there were any switch-a-roos played on the viewers?

 

[Lark]

"Hate: How do have hate in your heart? What do you hate? Hate many times is caused by Fear, Ignorance and Pain:"


“Do not hate. It is based on ignorance and fear. Rather seek to learn and understand that which you do not understand. Grow. Do not shrink in hatred. Transcend your fears and broaden your horizons. You thus see reality more clearly, fully and more beautifully. Or else stay in your prison self-imposed by your hate, shallow, forlorn and bereft of hope. It is a choice. Choose freedom-not hateful ignorance. That is what hate is, ignorance and pain, both of the worst kind.”

I agree with the high cost of hating, its why if I make a conscious choice to hate anyone its got to have a very good reason involved and its not minor matter.

 

[The Cat]

That episode was so deep, the toxic emotions of both characters totally made those characters, if it makes sense, also I've wondered whether or not the characters which have gone on to appear in future episodes are the toxic ones or not, was it possible that there were any switch-a-roos played on the viewers?

In the first season for the first several episodes its really easy to imagine each scene change is a different Rick and Morty same adventure alternate timelines. Also pretty sure there have been episodes that feature other Ricks and Morty's than c-137 I would say there probably tons of switcharrooos going on that we wont be aware of till seasons down the road. Evil Morty could be a toxin free Morty. But Dan Harmon is fantastic about continuity porn in his shows and sight gags, and out of focused jokes. Got any theories? ^_^ if you do we can start a thread if you want?

 

[RedAmazoneFriendZone]

I hate people who are too emotional. It annoys me. The problem is that when two persons have been through the same pain, they both enormously suffer. But the one who can’t control his emotions will receive all the attention and the one who can is ignored. To them I want to say: Billions of people can handle their emotions, why can’t you?

Why should they ? We are all so different.
Don't you think "hating people being too emotional" is a kind of judgement ? Why don't you ask yourself why it disturbs you that much ?

It is people nature to be overemotional sometimes. Maybe you don't listen to your deep down emotions.... But some people do need it...to feel in peace with themselves. At least for a while...

 

[RedAmazoneFriendZone]

To answer the OP I'll just content myself saying "Love and Hate live at the same place"...

 

[Nomendei]

Why should they ? We are all so different.
Don't you think "hating people being too emotional" is a kind of judgement ? Why don't you ask yourself why it disturbs you that much ?

It is people nature to be overemotional sometimes. Maybe you don't listen to your deep down emotions.... But some people do need it...to feel in peace with themselves. At least for a while...

Yes, it is a judgement. Of course, screaming out of joy or crying at the death of someone is normal. But what about the others? Those who makes irrational decisions due to their emotions? Can you like someone who beats his child because he passed in front of the Tv? Or those who hate you because all you did was the best thing in a logical aspect, but not for their feelings? Can you relate to someone who is ready to start a fight because you looked at their girlfriends? I can’t. and I never will. Those who start to cry at the first critic you say, those who get angry when you contradict them. Just think about what the world would look like if Putin, Kim Jong Un or any other mighty leader was like this.

To best explain what I mean, I will take a fictional example. In the series Hunter x Hunter, the protagonist was ready to kill an antagonist. This seems normal. But, due to his rage, the protagonist wanted to do it while the antagonist was saving an innocent girl, thus sacrificing her.

In a popular show, two people were constantly losing. The one could contain his emotion, the other not. Whenever the first one lost, they made jokes about it. But when the second one lost, they were all sorry for him. After the show the first one confessed that the jokes made him feel even worse. This is a problem that is very common. And it’s unfair.

 

[Lark]

Why should they ? We are all so different.
Don't you think "hating people being too emotional" is a kind of judgement ? Why don't you ask yourself why it disturbs you that much ?

It is people nature to be overemotional sometimes. Maybe you don't listen to your deep down emotions.... But some people do need it...to feel in peace with themselves. At least for a while...

Definitely think that's type related and which type people conform to the most will reflect how they use certain cognitive functions or even mood states and emotional feedback or resonance.

 

[Lark]

To answer the OP I'll just content myself saying "Love and Hate live at the same place"...

I do think that's an interesting aphorism.

There was a comic routine I saw once in which a guy is at a group therapy session, which itself hasnt been organised well and lacks a certain depth and sincerity but its sending up the idea so, anyway, he just outright says he thinks its nonsense, love and hate are not similar and he loves his wife and hates some football team. For a time I thought that was totally appropriate and didnt see the point of thinking otherwise.

Although, over time and reading a lot about attachment theory I've grown to understand how love or hate can involve an attachment. I know that people would be pretty shocked by the suggestion that the things they really hate are in some way things they can not do without. I've only read one book which was any good at explaining or seeking to understand how and why some people make or need enemies as much as they do friends and, of course, theatres of conflict like NI were cited as examples.

The only caveat that I'd add would be that sometimes I think that relates to a certain "hot" kind of hatred, I have actually known people who were excited to meet their enemies, who relished it and if they thought that enemy felt the same way they couldnt have been more pleased. Made for some real drama and I definitely thought it was weird, abnormal, stuff. Something a bit more than the average failing to distinguish between the right and wrong sort of attention involved there.

I prefer a different "cold" sort of hatred, for the few people I do hate. I dont give them any thought but word of their misfortune or a write up in the obituary column. It would not cause me dismay. Likewise, any good, no matter how indirect, I could do them or anyone remotely associated with them, they can forget about it.

 

[anticlimatic]

I agree with the quote but I haven't quite reached that level of self-discipline yet. My goal is to go from hate ---> to disgust----> to disappointment -----> to mere amusement.

Go from Hate ----> to Love

It's a shorter, and more honest path.

 

[Icedream]

In my experience it only ever goes from Love to Hate, and then Disinterest, if any change at all. There's really no going back once you reach hate

 

[Tellenbach]

Maybe substituting one sort of emotional reaction for another can have some good but I'm not quite sure why the ones you mention are better than hatred.

Hatred is a stronger motivating force than amusement. People who hate (jihadists and leftists like Antifa) are much more apt to commit evil.

 

[Lark]

Hatred is a stronger motivating force than amusement. People who hate (jihadists and leftists like Antifa) are much more apt to commit evil.

What do you think about the whole reputation of libertarian anarcho-capitalists for supporting people trafficking, including child trafficking and child prostitution?

Just saying. I know that jihadists and antifa can be violent and its nothing new. Libertarians used to be anti-fascist but I dont know when they went soft on that.

 

[RedAmazoneFriendZone]

Yes, it is a judgement. Of course, screaming out of joy or crying at the death of someone is normal. But what about the others? Those who makes irrational decisions due to their emotions? Can you like someone who beats his child because he passed in front of the Tv? Or those who hate you because all you did was the best thing in a logical aspect, but not for their feelings? Can you relate to someone who is ready to start a fight because you looked at their girlfriends? I can’t. and I never will. Those who start to cry at the first critic you say, those who get angry when you contradict them. Just think about what the world would look like if Putin, Kim Jong Un or any other mighty leader was like this.

To best explain what I mean, I will take a fictional example. In the series Hunter x Hunter, the protagonist was ready to kill an antagonist. This seems normal. But, due to his rage, the protagonist wanted to do it while the antagonist was saving an innocent girl, thus sacrificing her.

In a popular show, two people were constantly losing. The one could contain his emotion, the other not. Whenever the first one lost, they made jokes about it. But when the second one lost, they were all sorry for him. After the show the first one confessed that the jokes made him feel even worse. This is a problem that is very common. And it’s unfair.

Many people take decisions based on their emotions and only theirs. You can for example take our french literature, Emma Bovary acts with passion (and dies because of it).

The example you quote of the child is good, this of course is unforgivable because no one should have the right to crush innocence. People who can't respect you because you don't follow the logic of their own feelings are just very narrow and selfish.

Indeed there is no point to even argue and give one's own point of view and lose time...

The guys who start getting violent because you looked at "their" girlfriend have no consciousness of what freedom (and beauty) is. Here again many men act under the strenght (or should I rather say weakness) or their dear testosterone.

Not long ago I got harassed in the train by some drunkards. Useless to say they were very rude to me. But to keep calm I tried telling myself "it isn't toward ME, it could be anyone else that opened his/her mouth" (I asked them to lower their music).

Finally I didn't stay calm. I instinctively got defensive because I had no choice as the other stood up in front of me with a bottle. I said I was a cop (it happened on the road once too , as a man came violently to me to my window which was fully open).

If someone gets violent, one often has to use a technique of intimidation (which I don't enjoy doing anymore but well when I have to for survival I do it).

I will always try to calm down the fool first, but that depends on the situation, sometimes words don't fit in.

As for your example of the two persons losing well...to me a joke can be violent too. I think that depends on how confident you are in the situation, if you don't mind losing, losing what exactly, self esteem etc.

As for Putin or Kim I'm really not their fan (surprising isn't it). I know what you mean. Dictatorship is another subject...


Contradiction. That makes me think...

Yesterday I spoke with a guy on the 14 of July (Bastille day here in France). And instead of showing some compassion for the event we had in Nice in 2016 he preferred to tell me "Yes I know I am right !".

Because that one didn't accept contradiction (he was wrong about the number of people who died on the promenade). I let him staying blinded by his own ego by saying "Ainsi soit-il" (Let it be).

If he wanna be right so be it.

To me when we speak of human subjects which are about suffering the first thing that comes to my senses is to feel and show compassion. But of course, we're all different. We all have different values.

I accept contradiction, but to that extend to me it is what I call stupidity.

 

[RedAmazoneFriendZone]

I do think that's an interesting aphorism.

There was a comic routine I saw once in which a guy is at a group therapy session, which itself hasnt been organised well and lacks a certain depth and sincerity but its sending up the idea so, anyway, he just outright says he thinks its nonsense, love and hate are not similar and he loves his wife and hates some football team. For a time I thought that was totally appropriate and didnt see the point of thinking otherwise.

Although, over time and reading a lot about attachment theory I've grown to understand how love or hate can involve an attachment. I know that people would be pretty shocked by the suggestion that the things they really hate are in some way things they can not do without. I've only read one book which was any good at explaining or seeking to understand how and why some people make or need enemies as much as they do friends and, of course, theatres of conflict like NI were cited as examples.

The only caveat that I'd add would be that sometimes I think that relates to a certain "hot" kind of hatred, I have actually known people who were excited to meet their enemies, who relished it and if they thought that enemy felt the same way they couldnt have been more pleased. Made for some real drama and I definitely thought it was weird, abnormal, stuff. Something a bit more than the average failing to distinguish between the right and wrong sort of attention involved there.

I prefer a different "cold" sort of hatred, for the few people I do hate. I dont give them any thought but word of their misfortune or a write up in the obituary column. It would not cause me dismay. Likewise, any good, no matter how indirect, I could do them or anyone remotely associated with them, they can forget about it.

That is interesting, cold and hot hatred. To me once we don't pay attention to an (even small) analyse of our feelings,
whether good or bad at the very beginning, there is a risk that they transform themselves into unhealthy passions (because out of control)...

 

[Maou]

Im a little ball of pent up hatred since I was young. I don't express it, because I don't like the feeling of losing control. But at the same time its like intoxicating euphoria to me. So its like, really difficult for me to deal with hatred. So I try to avoid the feeling all together.

I cannot say I hate often in any stretch of the word, I don't even know if its just hatred itself. I believe I have a lot of patience, and rarely ever get angry in a real sense. I'll get annoyed and irritated, but that is about it. I am very forgiving, and easy to forget type (today that is). When I was younger, I was violent out of hate. I took my frustrations out on the people around me. As I got older, I learned to control that.

Today, I have only certain buttons one can push to really anger me. Usually around using physical aggression on me instantly makes me to lose my shit. Or insulting some very close, and very deep emotional subjects for me.

 

[SurrealisticSlumbers]

I have been in and around a lot of deep ecology, BLM and radfem circles (strong overlap with these circles; I know, big shocker there lol). However, I cannot bring myself to hate frackers, cops, or men, respectively. I find hate to be an illogical emotion, and choose to educate rather than spew hate... Someone's mind is rarely changed by hating them.

 

[StrawberryBoots]

"Hate: How do have hate in your heart? What do you hate? Hate many times is caused by Fear, Ignorance and Pain:"

I find no benefit in having hate in my heart. From what I can see, when one doesn't resolve their hateful feelings in a mature and constructive way, hate will sit passively or manifest aggressively, which is toxic to the individual possessing it and to those on the receiving end of it.

When one's brain is working for them, they'll find constructive ideas and positive beliefs to keep from entertaining negative emotions like hate that don't serve them and others well.

I believe, having courage and being assertive without resorting to hurting or manipulating people is the constructive route and if that route fails you, take the high road.

Taking the mature, patient, slow, and self-disciplined roads aren't always easy, but in my opinion, they're the most rewarding.

 

[Icedream]

I have been in and around a lot of deep ecology, BLM and radfem circles (strong overlap with these circles; I know, big shocker there lol). However, I cannot bring myself to hate frackers, cops, or men, respectively. I find hate to be an illogical emotion, and choose to educate rather than spew hate... Someone's mind is rarely changed by hating them.

You are the most collected and reasonable INFP I've ever met.