esidebill
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Why did you air-quote 'person'?
Why do you air-quote 'person'?
Why did you air-quote 'person'?
Says the "person" who thinks marijuana causes brain damage.
Because she referenced the word, not the person.Why do you air-quote 'person'?
Why?I consider personhood a privilege, not a right.
You put the first quote under my post and wrote the second one when Marmie explained to you that what she and I consider a left or liberal position has nothing to do with being an enemy of the West and a lot with actually practicing the (western!) value of tolerence and respect for cultural diversity, at least whithin reasonable limits.
What then were you trying to say? It was either a complete non sequitur (but then why quote by clicking the reply button?) or it was a direct reply and therefor an insinuation (rather than an open statement) that this is what you assume I think. And that, I'm sorry, is blatently false.
There are more than three civilizations and there are more than two positions on this supposed war of civilizations you are so often referring to. There are very few marxists left in the world. I am most definitely not one of them. I have one or two marxist friends who can vouch for that
Basically, my position here is very close to Marmie's, so there is no need to repeat it
Instead I want to add one more thing about your claim about the radical left. While the radical left (that I do not consider myself a part of) in, say, France or Spain tends to side with the Palastinians against Israel (partially because the underpriviledged in the French and Spanish society are often of Arabic origin and they see it as a form of post colonialist struggle of rich vs poor) and therefor feels a certain solidarity with what they see as a cultural circle suffering from poverty and both inside and outside repression, much of that rooting in or fostered by the West and its history and pilicies, the radical left in Germany is more or less evenly split between those who share their Mediterranean friend's position that this is David vs Goliath and those who say that if you are on the left, you are anti-fascist and if you are anti-fascist you support Israel and if you support Israel, Islam is your enemy. So there is a considerable fraction in the German radical left that is very strongly and violently anti-Islam.
Just for your information.
I myself, both with the war of civilizations and with Palastine, refuse to clearly take sides because I see too many factors and too many shades of grey but strongly resent anybody trying to push me one way or the other or, worst of all, putting me into a box that doesn't fit.
Which is what you seem to have done.
Familiarity with the phenomenon does not seem sufficient to render one immune from it.Studies show people are often prone to answering with that.
Except this isn't true. Morality is a human construct transmitted through culture, friends, family, etc. Religion has tried to hijack the concept of morality, claiming ownership of it, and many gullible people have fallen for it.I recently had a discussion with a friend regarding this hot potato, but what do you think of having a mandatory few minutes of prayer in school?
Personally, I am a supporter of this, if you go to a religious school. I believe we get many of our good morals from religion. This means that if children of atheistic parents have no contact with religion in their formative years there's a very high risk of them growing up to become antisocial individuals with dangerous values,
I believe we get many of our good morals from religion.
I believe we get many of our good morals from religion. This means that if children of atheistic parents have no contact with religion in their formative years there's a very high risk of them growing up to become antisocial individuals with dangerous values,
And this is exactly this biggest misconception held by most theists that atheism equates to a lack of morality, or in some way morality in a byproduct of religion. It's also the reason there's such a social stigma against publicly proclaiming yourself as atheist or agnostic. If anything, I see someone who developed a sense of morality as a result of being religious as a fraud, being that the structure of religion stems from conformity and compliance based around heavy handed fear tactics as opposed to genuine altruistic motives. The two are in no way synonymous, and history has proved and will continue to prove that time and time again.
I wouldn't be opposed to a mandatory allotted period of time in which prayer could be done as long as it's not ever formally acknowledged as anything specifically for prayer. Basically a 5-10 minute period of silence to which anyone can use however they saw fit as long as they weren't disturbing anyone else.