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“How is it that those people who say just have faith, in and of itself unintentionally are holding back society?

LightSun

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“How is it that those people who say just have faith, in and of itself unintentionally are holding back society?

Quote:
“No one can save us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path.” Buddha

“We have grown technologically. We have not grown psychologically, emotionally or spiritually since recorded history.

Any progress we make is by the passage of laws. Each law and reform has been fastidiously fought, resisted and killed for.

There is plenty of wisdom coming from those times. We have had Krishna, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Confucius, Moses, Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Jesus, Muhammad.

We have had from those who didn’t start their own religion Kierkegaard, Nietzsche and all the other giants from philosophy. We’ve had human change agents like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. and a whole host of reform leaders.

We don’t learn from history. It’s because each of us come into this world as a blank slate. We can not teach wisdom.

What people don’t understand is that the wisdom from religious leaders as well as the secular philosophers was done painstakingly by the individuals themselves.

It was meant as a start point, a direction. It was not meant to be followed dogmatically. As Hinduism states, ”There are many paths to the top of the mountain.”

The difference between spirituality and religion is that a spiritual person conducts a personal life journey. They grow and evolve as new understandings and insights develop on their own spiritual path.

Those who follow any teaching dogmatically lose the spiritual essence of what was tried to be conveyed. Buddha said, “Believe nothing just because it is said. Not even if he said it. Not unless it meets our own judicious discernment.

A person can read and memorize all the religious scripture and secular sayings of wisdom, but they will not be saved on this way. When push comes to shove when triggered a person will revert to their primitive base emotion.

For they have not learned to think for themselves and discover the wisdom within. A wisdom for all of us. Those who are prepared to go on a spiritual journey of discovery and enlightenment.

I ask, “Do you walk your talk? Do you practice what you preach?” The people who learn verses, whether religious or secular by rote memorization have not learned how to be wise on their own two feet.

This is the secret reason why those who claim to be religious when triggered don’t in actuality act with what they purport to believe in.” LightSun
 

yeghor

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“How is it that those people who say just have faith, in and of itself unintentionally are holding back society?

Quote:
“No one can save us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path.” Buddha

“We have grown technologically. We have not grown psychologically, emotionally or spiritually since recorded history. Any progress we make is by the passage of laws. Each law and reform has been fastidiously fought, resisted and killed for.

There is plenty of wisdom coming from those times. We have had Krishna, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Confucius, Moses, Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Jesus, Muhammad. We have had from those who didn’t start their own religion Kierkegaard, Nietzsche and all the other giants from philosophy. We’ve had human change agents like Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. and a whole host of reform leaders.

We don’t learn from history. It’s because each of us come into this world as a blank slate. We can not teach wisdom. What people don’t understand is that the wisdom from religious leaders as well as the secular philosophers was done painstakingly by the individuals themselves. It was meant as a start point, a direction. It was not meant to be followed dogmatically. As Hinduism states, ”There are many paths to the top of the mountain.”

The difference between spirituality and religion is that a spiritual person conducts a personal life journey. They grow and evolve as new understandings and insights develop on their own spiritual path. Those who follow any teaching dogmatically lose the spiritual essence of what was tried to be conveyed. Buddha said, “Believe nothing just because it is said. Not even if he said it. Not unless it meets our own judicious discernment.

A person can read and memorize all the religious scripture and secular sayings of wisdom, but they will not be saved on this way. When push comes to shove when triggered a person will revert to their primitive base emotion. For they have not learned to think for themselves and discover the wisdom within. A wisdom for all of us. Those who are prepared to go on a spiritual journey of discovery and enlightenment.

I ask, “Do you walk your talk? Do you practice what you preach?” The people who learn verses, whether religious or secular by rote memorization have not learned how to be wise on their own two feet.This is the secret reason why those who claim to be religious when triggered don’t in actuality act with what they purport to believe in.” LightSun

Hi. It is easier for me to read the text when it is arranged into paragraphs. Also, you may consider making a single blog-type thread, and continue posting new material under it, rather than making new threads for each topic. That way, your thoughts can be followed more easily in a linear fashion under one thread, and it would be easier to make mental connection between them.

There are similar threads below that the Mods may merge under a single thread ordered by date if you ask them to.






And, yes, religious text should rather be used to identify basic principles of good conduct rather than rules to be followed literally cause those rules were set a long time ago and circumstances have changed since then, necessitating new rules. However, that requires abstract thinking skills, which is not always as strong in everyone, so religious rules or modern day laws have been specified instead for those with stronger literal thinking skills.
 
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