Huh, that's interesting. I guess we all see meaning in different stuff--some symbols are going to strike a chord in different people in different ways. Personally, the whole 'navigation' thing is pretty much a metaphor that permeates my entire worldview.Huh, I actually see far less meaning in the compass than in the apple. It's just a tool, whereas the apple is life. Probably just reflects that I'm a bio nerd.
Cool. Pretty much this for me, too.Do you know what direction you're headed in life?
tbh my response to the Apple pic/question would probably be along the lines of the Se response; I wouldn't be inclined to ruminate (I don't think) about an apple.
If apples don't inspire more than 'it's an apple,' what about other signs?
Compasses, for example, have pretty distinct physical features, utility, tangential connections, and inner meaning.
bunch of sfj males on here think they're ntps.
very, very funny. and they all kinda flock
together.
Who are these people?
Nah, it's a very flawed mindset. Though, when you think "famous author/filmmaker/intellectual/whatever", ISFJ is not quite what springs to mind. They seem to be content with personally fulfilling but low-rank and invisible positions, hence the stereotype...
One of my dearest friends is an ISFJ and he is such an impressive (not to mention creative and intelligent) person. He has less than zero desire to be famous, though I think he dreams of pushing forward some family or friend run business that he'd like to be very successful. In my experience with ISFJs, they want to take care of their friends/family and everyone else can go screw themselves.
If you are dismissive of "personally fulfilling but low-rank and invisible positions" then you are distinctly unlike any ISFJ I have ever met. Not only do ISFJs not dismiss the worth of it, they take a particular pride in it. Like ISTJs they get off on knowing that everything is working and everyone is working together on their diligent, caring, watch. I have never met an ISFJ who was angstful about anything so self-centered and needlessly abstract as typing themselves. I would also suspect there are very few ISFJs in this community.
Could put a picture in front of a person and ask them for their impressions of the picture, or give them an object. Sensors will more likely first notice the colors, shapes, forms of the object. Even will a well-researched perspective of the picture, they will still focus on how it looks, what is really there, or based on their experiences. Intuitives will look for hidden meanings behind the picture, or fuse their own personal abstract connections to said picture.
Could use a picture of an apple and ask someone to give their interpretation of it.
For sensors:
Se- focus on the color, shape, size, taste, texture, shadow. "That apple looks shiny and red." Will likely take said apple and eat it, or play around with it in their hands, examining what it looks like. More likely to savor the flavor of the apple, take in as much characteristics of the apple as they can. They will likely describe these characteristics more. This will be second nature to those with Se.
I would actually throw this bit into the Se category, or possibly Ti. Unless I have really over-active Ni, which seems unlikely. The Se category seems a bit superficial in general. The rest looks pretty spot-on, though. At least in the sense that I don't relate to them at all, haha.
ex: my impression would be something like "that's an apple, it's red and shiny, looks ripe, probably red delicious variety, grows on trees, made of plant cells, result of fertilization which is usually done by bees, red colour comes from pigments, full of energy for the growing seed, tasty in order to attract birds and animals in order to spread the seeds, crisp because of cell walls which keep cells plump + the waxy material produced in the skin, modern apple is result of evolution and selective breeding". Along those lines.
I definitely would not think about what an apple symbolized to me or society, how it made me feel, etc, unless prompted to do so. Or even what to do with it. I'd be focusing on the intrinsic qualities of the apple, in the context of everything I know about it. Presumably that would involve Ti/Se with a touch of Ni, for me.
Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't mean to come across as disdainful... In fact, I think I'd enjoy having one of these more "invisible" careers (though that could be my desire to avoid scrutiny talking). ISFJs are awesome and good and sweet and talented and have the natural scent of fresh green apples.
It's just... Sometimes things like that just get to you. Looking at all those people who are bringing beautiful, innovative things to fruition and feeling like yes, those low-rank jobs are necessary, but inferior to the artistic/scentific/whatever ones - they're unique, bright, they're someone; you, on the other hand, are expendable, interchangeable. It's not a very rational feeling, but it stings to think about it.
/Viridan's many issues
Unfortunately the sad fact of our lives is that we cant all reach for the stars, if we do...who is going to build the ladder to help prop up those who have the ability to do so?
It's not nice, but so very little is. I was able to make peace with it though, once id got over my own lack of innovation and ingenuity.
The apple looks like an ass. I guess that must be Se with one level of abstraction via Ni. Or maybe it's Si because it's what I think an ass should look like, taken up one level of abstraction by Ne.
Seriously, what a stupid test.
Maybe the results should be judged as such:
Se - They find a way to make the apple into a crude and/or rude joke.
Si - They say "I'm not doing this, it's stupid."
Ne - They make a million retarded but relatively innocent or innuendo jokes about the apple.
Ni - They take a million years to answer.
Fe (because it's a special, annoying function that all of you ESFJs use) - They choose the answer which will either (1) be most flattering to themselves when they tell others, or (2) not stand out too much from the norm of the other replies in the thread.
The apple looks like an ass. I guess that must be Se with one level of abstraction via Ni. Or maybe it's Si because it's what I think an ass should look like, taken up one level of abstraction by Ne.
Seriously, what a stupid test.
Maybe the results should be judged as such:
Se - They find a way to make the apple into a crude and/or rude joke.
Si - They say "I'm not doing this, it's stupid."
Ne - They make a million retarded but relatively innocent or innuendo jokes about the apple.
Ni - They take a million years to answer.
Fe (because it's a special, annoying function that all of you ESFJs use) - They choose the answer which will either (1) be most flattering to themselves when they tell others, or (2) not stand out too much from the norm of the other replies in the thread.
I think context and random chance contributes to how someone decides to view an item.
It's not like adults are stupid. People of any type are fully capable of looking at an apple and seeing both concrete and abstract qualities of it. The same thing with a compass. ESPECIALLY when one is taking a personality test.
Why couldn't an ISFJ feel this way? If it's not an ISFJ mindset, what type do you think would be most likely to have this mentality?
I admit to struggling with this and I have considered ISFJ as a possible type in the past but eventually settled on INTP.
I know I've often felt more invisible and underappreciated than I'd like and wish I could put myself more "out there." yet at the same time I really didn't want all that attention and the possible scrutiny.
(...)
I can painfully relate.
With each passing day, I become more convinced that you're secretly my doppelganger.
With a doppelganger brofist -> , I thus end my egocentric tangent. Also, still no barbs from Orangey, I see. :/
Apple interpretations:
Se: Picks up apple and throws it at you. Laughs and gets ready for you to throw it back.... setting in motion an awesome night that you both remember and talk about for years.
Si: Wonders if there are enough apples to make a pie. Memorized the recipe long ago and knows everyone loves it - probably remembers precisely the last time they made it.
Ne: Imagines the apple as a passive protagonist in a story where serendipitous and ironic events involving the apple take place to a group of interesting strangers.
Ni: Realizes the apple would make a wonderful symbol for the new Foundation they are helping to get off the ground. Devises meaning for each color and it's placement. Fancifully thinks of this test as having been destined to show them the right symbol at the right time.
and..
Fe: "No, you have the apple."
Fi: "Sweet! Thanks! You are the BEST!"
Te: "Why do you always choose apples? Not that I'm complaining."
Ti: "I wonder what the average annual apple yield is in North America."
Mostly just joking but I think that's pretty accurate, yeah?
If apples don't inspire more than 'it's an apple,' what about other signs?
Compasses, for example, have pretty distinct physical features, utility, tangential connections, and inner meaning.
I think anyone can reach for the stars but not everyone will get there. Also, why can't you be both the ladder builder and then prop yourself up? What about the people who start businesses from scratch and their company succeeds big time?
Also, alot of people succeed by copying other people and doing a hell of alot of self- promoting. You don't need much innovation or ingenuity to do that. Sometimes the truly innovative people don't get the credit.
If I was at an MBTI workshop, that's how I'd answer.
I doubt that they invite frustrated old men to mbti workshops, they need young flesh that can be indoctrinated.