Thalassa
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Since I just observed in a thread made for E1s (and I am not an E1) that quite a few people seem to be offended, mortified, or miffed they'd be viewed as vengeful and my response is "lolwut" I'm curious as to how many people view vengeance as a positive or neutral thing.
When I was about 20, I used to go around saying "I am karma." It was because I tended to view bringers of very bad things as deserving of swift and meaningful correction, because I think a lot of evil happens in the world due to benign neglect i.e. "I don't want to get involved" "I don't want to be viewed as mean" (this is the worst in my opinion, if you're so pretentious and self-righteous that your entire motive is that you want to be liked or viewed as nice by others...not that you actually strive to BE kind or fair) or whatever.
So many people get away with so much. I've actually had to curb my vengeance with maturity, examining how it was harming me when taken to extremes, and how vengeance MUST BE RATIONAL...it must serve a purpose or teach a lesson, otherwise it's just emotional melodrama that creates a perpetuating cycle of human stupidity (you know, like how people have been warring in the Caucusus region for 500+ years, that's when you know, just mayhaps, vengeance should become a more rational rather than emotional act, when it's eating your societies and your own families alive.)
Of course as a counterphobic 6, I feel a deep need to be involved in my community, and at the same time face my fears and have strong allegiances, so I guess from an enneagram perspective this would be a natural thing for me.
I've done a lot of reading on how anger can alert us, but should not be a driving force. The anger should be acknowledged, examined for the lesson involved, but then put aside to explore how the solution to the problem can proceed without it always being fueled by anger.
An example would be the difference between how PETA and the Humane Society handle animal rights. PETA is clearly too consumed with anger.
Anyway, it's just something I accept about myself, even in situations where I've acknowledged my sense of vengeance may have been inappropriate or out of hand.
Is this cultural? Ethical? Personality related? What?
When I was about 20, I used to go around saying "I am karma." It was because I tended to view bringers of very bad things as deserving of swift and meaningful correction, because I think a lot of evil happens in the world due to benign neglect i.e. "I don't want to get involved" "I don't want to be viewed as mean" (this is the worst in my opinion, if you're so pretentious and self-righteous that your entire motive is that you want to be liked or viewed as nice by others...not that you actually strive to BE kind or fair) or whatever.
So many people get away with so much. I've actually had to curb my vengeance with maturity, examining how it was harming me when taken to extremes, and how vengeance MUST BE RATIONAL...it must serve a purpose or teach a lesson, otherwise it's just emotional melodrama that creates a perpetuating cycle of human stupidity (you know, like how people have been warring in the Caucusus region for 500+ years, that's when you know, just mayhaps, vengeance should become a more rational rather than emotional act, when it's eating your societies and your own families alive.)
Of course as a counterphobic 6, I feel a deep need to be involved in my community, and at the same time face my fears and have strong allegiances, so I guess from an enneagram perspective this would be a natural thing for me.
I've done a lot of reading on how anger can alert us, but should not be a driving force. The anger should be acknowledged, examined for the lesson involved, but then put aside to explore how the solution to the problem can proceed without it always being fueled by anger.
An example would be the difference between how PETA and the Humane Society handle animal rights. PETA is clearly too consumed with anger.
Anyway, it's just something I accept about myself, even in situations where I've acknowledged my sense of vengeance may have been inappropriate or out of hand.
Is this cultural? Ethical? Personality related? What?