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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Perhaps it's just offensive that a Canadian would think so little of us.
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    First of all, ask yourself the following question: If you were going to take over the United States, how would you do it? Would you say, "I'm a socialist and we're all going to be equal"? No, you would not, because it wouldn't work. Would you say, "I'm a liberal and we are going to have a society of multiple toleration"? You probably wouldn't say that if you wanted mass support. You would be much more likely to say, "I have the word from God and this is the way we should run things." That probably would have more of a chance of working, and in fact there are a number of movements in the States saying just that, and getting lots of dollars and influence.
    Interestingly enough, it seems all you have to say is "Hope" and "Change"...

    Oh, and be half black...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Interestingly enough, it seems all you have to say is "Hope" and "Change"...

    Oh, and be half black...
    No, no, everyone knows he doesn't have much real power.

    All you have to do is be a Midwesterner and a half-Russian guy with a brilliant idea in Sillicon Valley.

    I mean, honestly, there are SO MANY ways to take over the United States, and that's the best she could come up with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Perhaps it's just offensive that a Canadian would think so little of us.
    LOL that's such a weak comment it doesn't even merit a reply.

    You have these issues surrounding nationality that are irrational, H. I hear the back-handed "PB is a Canadian too" slapped in there, even if you deny it.

    Why do you take such a thing personally? Truly, it almost seems you don't like the novel because Margaret Atwood is a Canadian - is that your biggest contention?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    I mean, honestly, there are SO MANY ways to take over the United States, and that's the best she could come up with?
    It's not so far-fetched: you should read what's happening in the world to see that issues of procreation wrapped in religious practice very convincingly guide people's lives ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    LOL that's such a weak comment it doesn't even merit a reply.

    You have these issues surrounding nationality that are irrational, H. I hear the back-handed "PB is a Canadian too" slapped in there, even if you deny it.

    Why do you take such a thing personally? Truly, it almost seems you don't like the novel because Margaret Atwood is a Canadian - is that your biggest contention?
    No, it's not because she's Canadian. It just sounds like she has a damn-loaded agenda from her interview. I am wondering where the hell she is getting her perspective that there is only "Socialist" or "Liberal" and then "Messenger from God" when trying to take over a country.

    Who knows? Maybe I just hate her because she's a woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Perhaps it's just offensive that a Canadian would think so little of us.
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    LOL that's such a weak comment it doesn't even merit a reply.

    You have these issues surrounding nationality that are irrational, H. I hear the back-handed "PB is a Canadian too" slapped in there, even if you deny it.

    Why do you take such a thing personally? Truly, it almost seems you don't like the novel because Margaret Atwood is a Canadian - is that your biggest contention?
    Hey, I think there's merit to her comment.

    This woman is a Canadian writing about America, and, as such, her dystopic vision relates to her vision of America.

    Perhaps this American just tends to think this Canadian doesn't have the slightest clue about what America really is like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    It's not so far-fetched...
    Maybe she just disagrees on this point, PB?

    *ahem*

    As I pointed to in my first response...
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    ^ well you could also say that someone in the South knows nothing about the midwest, or vice versa, or someone in New York has a totally different experience than someone in California.

    Margaret Atwood lived in the US for several years; gives her as much a right to comment on it as anyone else I suspect.

    Edit: and bear in mind, she lived in the US in the 60's and early 70's - totally different world. To expect her to conform to your experience is ludicrous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Margaret Atwood lived in the US for several years; gives her as much a right to comment on it as anyone else I suspect.
    I never said she didn't have the right.

    I've read The Constitution (you know, the founding document that would ensure that her bullshit vision would never actually occur), and it grants her that right in its First Ammendment.

    I just said that she doesn't seem to know what she's talking about.
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