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I loved it, but it was the first thing I saw (I was in 4th grade when it aired) and it actually motivated me to read the book -- so it holds a special place in my heart. There are some really famous voice actors in there (like Paul Frees, who show up in other Rankin-Bass holiday animation classics; or Hans Conreid, who did some Disney stuff), and Gandalf is voiced by director John Huston, who had a hell of a directing/writing career that spanned decades.
Oh, perhaps predictably, I was motivated to read the books by the Peter Jackson films. Anyway, I'd forgotten that John Huston voiced Gandalf in this. He's made some excellent films, so that might mean a rewatch would be worth it.
Face it, it's a Rankin-Bass production. The "weird" looking stuff emulates their stop-motion design in some ways, and it's the same kind of style they used for Thundercats. And as such, it's got some memorable tunes as well.

Now that you mention it, I can see the resemblance:

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I definitely want to see The Zone of Interest!


Also, The White Ribbon is really good and worth watching (if you're into arthouse stuff). Extremely atmospheric and cold as ice. The two connect in theme and style, even through they are made by different directors in different decades and the plots seem to differ.
 
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Been waiting for that ^ to drop on affordable streaming here too.
 

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I'm seeing Dune 2 tomorrow and I've managed to drag my sister with me. I will have a report back.
 

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So I just watched Terminator: Dark Fate again.

I put this film and Alien3 in the same category (although I like this one better).
  • Neither had to be made.
  • The first 5-10 minutes have such an egregious plot twist that half the existing audience bails on the film and automatically hates it.
  • Once you get past that plot point, the film itself isn't actually bad and actually has some decent aspects.

Still, come on -- Alien3 was not Cameron, it was new people taking over the franchise, but James Cameron has both a producer and a story credit on Terminator: Dark Fate. In fact, Cameron is credited with the decision that turned off the audiences in the film's first five minutes. So it seems like folks should have given the rest of the film a chance.

It's got some fascinating stuff, including Grace (a rockin' MacKenzie Davis), a crusty Sarah Connor (Hamilton, back for more), and Schwarzenegger. It's got decent set pieces. It feels like a bit of a multiverse film before they glutted the market, basically putting a spin on the old Skynet enemy and its creations. It again wonders what a machine is capable of, especially if its prime directive has been taken from it. And while in a way it seems to diminish Sarah at first (she won the T2 battle, making herself obsolete... and now she hasn't even been able to enjoy her life), the film actually makes her relevant again, since how else does Dani get to be who she becomes? Sarah is the proverbial mother figure, both nurturing and training the person who needs to be both strong and compassionate as the leader of the human resistance.

It's worlds better than the third, fourth, and fifth films.

It's kinda sad it just never went anyway, as it's a great watch. And it deals with an emotion that hasn't necessarily been dealt with before in a Terminator film: Regret, and how that pain can shape someone into being a better person.
 

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So I just watched Terminator: Dark Fate again.

I put this film and Alien3 in the same category (although I like this one better).
  • Neither had to be made.
  • The first 5-10 minutes have such an egregious plot twist that half the existing audience bails on the film and automatically hates it.
  • Once you get past that plot point, the film itself isn't actually bad and actually has some decent aspects.

Still, come on -- Alien3 was not Cameron, it was new people taking over the franchise, but James Cameron has both a producer and a story credit on Terminator: Dark Fate. In fact, Cameron is credited with the decision that turned off the audiences in the film's first five minutes. So it seems like folks should have given the rest of the film a chance.

It's got some fascinating stuff, including Grace (a rockin' MacKenzie Davis), a crusty Sarah Connor (Hamilton, back for more), and Schwarzenegger. It's got decent set pieces. It feels like a bit of a multiverse film before they glutted the market, basically putting a spin on the old Skynet enemy and its creations. It again wonders what a machine is capable of, especially if its prime directive has been taken from it. And while in a way it seems to diminish Sarah at first (she won the T2 battle, making herself obsolete... and now she hasn't even been able to enjoy her life), the film actually makes her relevant again, since how else does Dani get to be who she becomes? Sarah is the proverbial mother figure, both nurturing and training the person who needs to be both strong and compassionate as the leader of the human resistance.

It's worlds better than the third, fourth, and fifth films.

It's kinda sad it just never went anyway, as it's a great watch. And it deals with an emotion that hasn't necessarily been dealt with before in a Terminator film: Regret, and how that pain can shape someone into being a better person.
How do they explain Schwarznegger aging?
 

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So I just watched Terminator: Dark Fate again.

I put this film and Alien3 in the same category (although I like this one better).
  • Neither had to be made.
  • The first 5-10 minutes have such an egregious plot twist that half the existing audience bails on the film and automatically hates it.
  • Once you get past that plot point, the film itself isn't actually bad and actually has some decent aspects.

Still, come on -- Alien3 was not Cameron, it was new people taking over the franchise, but James Cameron has both a producer and a story credit on Terminator: Dark Fate. In fact, Cameron is credited with the decision that turned off the audiences in the film's first five minutes. So it seems like folks should have given the rest of the film a chance.

It's got some fascinating stuff, including Grace (a rockin' MacKenzie Davis), a crusty Sarah Connor (Hamilton, back for more), and Schwarzenegger. It's got decent set pieces. It feels like a bit of a multiverse film before they glutted the market, basically putting a spin on the old Skynet enemy and its creations. It again wonders what a machine is capable of, especially if its prime directive has been taken from it. And while in a way it seems to diminish Sarah at first (she won the T2 battle, making herself obsolete... and now she hasn't even been able to enjoy her life), the film actually makes her relevant again, since how else does Dani get to be who she becomes? Sarah is the proverbial mother figure, both nurturing and training the person who needs to be both strong and compassionate as the leader of the human resistance.

It's worlds better than the third, fourth, and fifth films.

It's kinda sad it just never went anyway, as it's a great watch. And it deals with an emotion that hasn't necessarily been dealt with before in a Terminator film: Regret, and how that pain can shape someone into being a better person.
Weirdly, I like Alien 3. *ducks a shoe* I thought it added interesting world building to the franchise. For a Long time I thought it was gonna be the worst alien movie. Then I thought Alien Ressurection was gonna be the worst one, dispite the cast and a... lot of interesting ideas that I never really felt quite came together.... I Think... I think they might be focused too much on trying to recapture how Alien/Aliens felt without having a story first. Like they have scenes and concepts and they write a story around it, which is how scenes work, but I feel like with alien/Aliens they were telling multiple stories and we got to understand that as an audience. I would gladly watch a movie of Brad Dourif's origin story, like what was THAT guy's deal, what did that job interview for the company look like? I'm kinda surprised there's not gonna be a streaming series about Carter Burke....yet
 

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How do they explain Schwarznegger aging?
The Terminator in this film aged for twenty years in real time, so the appearance is still congruent with that aging process, since the terminator's flesh would age normally.
 

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I would gladly watch a movie of Brad Dourif's origin story, like what was THAT guy's deal, what did that job interview for the company look like?
Gawd, Brad Dourif. A slimier character actor might not exist, aside from Doug Hutchinson.

I'm kinda surprised there's not gonna be a streaming series about Carter Burke....yet
Gross. Would anyone watch that? Like, no one cares. He got what he deserved.

Unless they do a Jimmy McGill thing on him or somehow try to make him into a sympathetic hero smuggling home alien embryos because his dear mother had a terminal disease that was causing her to terribly suffer and this was all he had to maybe save her, burdened by years of guilt for not being a good enough son and castigation by his father for not being ambitious enough.

Dammit, Cat, do NOT make me write this scenario convincingly! I do not want to be a Burke apologist.
 

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Gawd, Brad Dourif. A slimier character actor might not exist, aside from Doug Hutchinson.


Gross. Would anyone watch that? Like, no one cares. He got what he deserved.

Unless they do a Jimmy McGill thing on him or somehow try to make him into a sympathetic hero smuggling home alien embryos because his dear mother had a terminal disease that was causing her to terribly suffer and this was all he had to maybe save her, burdened by years of guilt for not being a good enough son and castigation by his father for not being ambitious enough.

Dammit, Cat, do NOT make me write this scenario convincingly! I do not want to be a Burke apologist.
Right? It's a frikkin mind trap. As are all things with Paul Reyser.
 

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The Terminator in this film aged for twenty years in real time, so the appearance is still congruent with that aging process, since the terminator's flesh would age normally.
I did not realize Terminator flesh worked like that. I guess it's useful if they have them blend in. I feel like there have to be many other models of Terminator that we don't see, or otherwise, how could they be if everyone gets suspicious about all giant Austrian dudes? I guess we have the female Terminators in T3 and the Sarah Connor Chronicles, but that's it.
 
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I did not realize Terminator flesh worked like that. I guess it's useful if they have them blend in. I feel like there have to be many other models of Terminator that we don't see, or otherwise, how could they be if everyone gets suspicious about all giant Austrian dudes? I guess we have the female Terminators in T3 and the Sarah Connor Chronicles, but that's it.
Well, most people write off T3, Salvation, and Genesis as non-canon -- or at least just ignore them.

I didn't see the SCC but it generally is considered better than those three films.

Yeah, the T-101s were infiltration units, so they had to look real on the surface; and the human flesh part of them will age even if the machine has a 120-year power pack.

There were different Terminator models. The first terminator film has a Reese flashback where the infiltrator did not look like Arnold, and I think Salvation has some other models besides Arnold in it at the factory? (Not sure.) So yes, there's a whole line of models that looks like Arnold, but there are other lines as well.
 

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So I've been busy and completed two new films in the last 14 hours or so.

Damsel: This just dropped on Netflix yesterday, starring Millie Bobby Brown and some other top cast in supporting roles. Damsel is a flawed film in some obvious ways, the most obvious being the writing and the directing (in terms of actor direction). The plotting is okay, but it's the dialogue (which dominates the first 20 minutes of film) which is barely functional and completely generic, resulting in the cast sounding like they are just cosplaying generic fantasy world. Worse, I didn't know who was cast in this film and saw two characters who I decided were Fake Ray Winstone and Fake Angela Bassett (semi-look/sound-alikes) until I happened to look them up on my phone and realized they actually WERE Ray Winstone and Angela Bassett. (OOF!) It felt like they didn't know their characters' personalities or emotional states and the director just stuck them on autopilot -- fortunately, they both have a better handle later in the film.

Robin Wright is an obvious cast who is just playing a caricature of Claire Underwood from the series finale of House of Cards. However, I am pretty sure she was meta-cast because of her well-known reference point as Buttercup in "The Princess Bride," who kind of needed saving. As the on-the-nose title suggests, Brown ends up NOT one of those kinds of female leads.

While I'm not a diehard fan of Brown, once she's the only character from a plot perspective she actually carries this film convincingly. The film itself won't make any "best of" lists that aren't Nickelodeon, but I think it will get her future roles and prove she can do stuff outside Stranger Things.

There's a lot to poke fun at in the first 20 minutes (cheesy, generic fantasy speak, clueless characterization to advance the plot, people making obvious bad decisions, obvious lies that are not properly challenged), but as the rest of the film revolves around Elodie and the dragon playing mouse and cat throughout the dragon's caves and some late-film plot twisting, it actually becomes a lot more interesting. Elodie actually is quite smart and resilient, and does smart things. Some characters redeem themselves, others do not. I like the developments between Elodie and the dragon, how the dragon was wronged but is also part of the perpetual system of destruction that they are all enmeshed, and how this situation ultimately gets resolved out of equal parts justice, ingenuity, and compassion.

So despite the film starting like a 3/10, it ends up as a 6/10 or 7/10 film in its best moments.

Poor Things: This dropped on Hulu on Thursday. I am happy to see Lanthimos finally getting the mainstream recognition he deserves, although The Favorite and The Lobster did put him on the map. This story of the evolution of Bella Baxter is amusing, empathetic, outrageous, disturbing, and well-told, full of the typical kinds of lines that show up in a Lanthimos film:

Bella Baxter: I have adventured it and found nothing but sugar and violence.

Bella starts out at the mercy of all the men in her society (and a few of the women) but is constantly learning and developing herself, based on the pretext of the film. There's a lot of sexuality in this film (so I'll be surprised if it's voted as Best Picture, because Americans), but if you are capable of accepting all it has to give, it's a really enjoyable experience. I find Bella's adventurous tour of various European cities and ship voyages to be beautiful from a set design and cinematographic view -- just absolutely gorgeous sets and backdrops, almost surreal at times (reminds me a bit of "The City of Lost Children" in concept), and while it's generally a recognizable time period of our own history, there are steampunk elements introduced as well.

Mark Ruffalo's character is perhaps the worst of the lot, although a tangential connection from Bella's past (Christopher Abbott) would be even more horrible if he didn't have so little screen time; and normally Ruffalo plays likable characters, but here he moves from acceptable to pathetic to terrible. One can't help but view the film on one level as a woman (not just a person) navigating male society and all the expectations placed on her. Poor Things could be a criticism of the pitfalls of "modern" society but also can refer to the women who are penalized by its rules or (even more blatantly) to the men who capitalize on them, resulting in them been weak, ineffectual, and dependent creatures when anyone does not follow them. Even the men who just detach from the system lose something as well.

Bella Baxter: If I know the world I can improve it.
Harry Astley: You can't. This is the real point. Don't except the lie of religion, socialism, capitalism. We are a fucked species. Know it. Hope is smash-able, realism is not. Protect yourself with the truth.
Bella Baxter: I realize what you are now Harry. Just a broken little boy who cannot bear the pain of the world.
Harry Astley: I suppose so.

Maybe the strongest wisdom comes from the Paris madam who Bella works with for a short time, when Bella quizzes her on why she must be part of this system of use at all:
Swiney: We must work. We must make money. But more than that Bella, we must experience everything. Not just the good, but degradation, horror, sadness. This makes us whole Bella, makes us people of substance. Not flighty, untouched children. Then we can know the world. And when we know the world, the world is ours.
Bella Baxter: I want that.
Swiney: Now go and fuck someone and bring me ten francs.

The men of this world (and the wealthy) avoid some kinds of experience, focusing only on the pleasurable and powerful, ignoring the vulnerable, the poor, the sad, the weak. But embracing all of experience and knowing what it means is an act of grounding. Innocence (where Bella started) gives way to knowledge, and thus illumination, and finally strength and direction.

There are bits and pieces of the film that seem to tarnish Bella a bit (like her decision at the end on how to deal with Alfie Blessington), but overall this is easily a 9/10 film.
 

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Well, most people write off T3, Salvation, and Genesis as non-canon -- or at least just ignore them.

I didn't see the SCC but it generally is considered better than those three films.

Yeah, the T-101s were infiltration units, so they had to look real on the surface; and the human flesh part of them will age even if the machine has a 120-year power pack.

There were different Terminator models. The first terminator film has a Reese flashback where the infiltrator did not look like Arnold, and I think Salvation has some other models besides Arnold in it at the factory? (Not sure.) So yes, there's a whole line of models that looks like Arnold, but there are other lines as well.
I saw Salvation. I wanted to see if because I was intrigued by it taking place in the future but it wasn't very good. What I remember from it were some scenes that were pretty badly written, and I felt like visually they showed little imagination.

The future war seemsd so much more interesting in the "flashback" scenes from the first two films.

Regarding other terminator models, I forgot about the T-1000 from T2, which I will attribute to the fact that the T-1000 is a shapeshifter.
 
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Initial thoughts on Dune 2:

They nailed the tone (as well as many other things; I only have a few complaints).

I felt sadness walking out of the theater. I know the holy war he wanted to prevent in the beginning is happening anyway. This story is addressing what it would be like to witness the growth of a new religion and that's fascinating and terrifying.

When I read Dune, I interpreted the book as a very straightforward heroic story. It was a bit like the way the Lynch movie ends, with the narration that "Muad'Dib brought peace to the galaxy" (lol). I read the sequel a few years later and it was surprising to me because it makes it very clear that this is not the cause.

I feel like there must have been things I missed when I read it the first time because of my naivete due to my age. It's worth a re-read I think.
 
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