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Initial thoughts on Dune 2:

They nailed the tone (as well as many other things; I only have a few complaints).

I felt sadness walking out of the theater. I know the holy war he wanted to prevent in the beginning is happening anyway. This story is addressing what it would be like to witness the growth of a new religion and that's fascinating and terrifying.

When I read Dune, I interpreted the book as a very straightforward heroic story. It was a bit like the way the Lynch movie ends, with the narration that "Muad'Dib brought peace to the galaxy" (lol). I read the sequel a few years later and it was surprising to me because it makes it very clear that this is not the cause.

I feel like there must have been things I missed when I read it the first time because of my naivete due to my age. It's worth a re-read I think.
Yeah, the consensus seems to be that the book is not necessarily the story of a hero arising... In fact, it's gonna be bad. The film I think telegraphs this even more in terms of where Chani ends up, to give more emphasis.
 

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Yeah, the consensus seems to be that the book is not necessarily the story of a hero arising... In fact, it's gonna be bad. The film I think telegraphs this even more in terms of where Chani ends up, to give more emphasis.
I liked what they did with Chani. No doubt there is someone somewhere complaining about the movie being "woke" as a consequence. But I like that they added this aspect of her being skeptical of the prophecies, and I like what this added to the story. It drove home the idea that what is arising might be beyond anyone's control.

 

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I liked what they did with Chani. No doubt there is someone somewhere complaining about the movie being "woke" as a consequence. But I like that they added this aspect of her being skeptical of the prophecies, and I like what this added to the story. It drove home the idea that what is arising might be beyond anyone's control.
Yeah, some of the arguments online are crazy (mostly I seeing them in comments on FB posts by Dune groups). I don't really consider comments sections worth debating in because no one reads other people's comments, they sometimes don't even fully read the article they are commenting on, and people also feel the right to be as obnoxious as they want to be versus having a reason to argue responsibly.

But like with all other fandoms, there's a small faction insisting that Lynch's Dune beats everything else hands down (although the general consensus is that it's a terrible adaptation in general, it even gets the tone/ending wrong and just didn't have enough time to explore the source material); another that hates any deviation whatever from the book and doesn't know how films are made or what film constraints are; people who haven't read the book but misunderstand the film and/or try to reduce it to good vs bad guys trope; and then a few people who actually enjoy discussing it as an adaptation.
 

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Yeah, some of the arguments online are crazy (mostly I seeing them in comments on FB posts by Dune groups). I don't really consider comments sections worth debating in because no one reads other people's comments, they sometimes don't even fully read the article they are commenting on, and people also feel the right to be as obnoxious as they want to be versus having a reason to argue responsibly.

But like with all other fandoms, there's a small faction insisting that Lynch's Dune beats everything else hands down (although the general consensus is that it's a terrible adaptation in general, it even gets the tone/ending wrong and just didn't have enough time to explore the source material); another that hates any deviation whatever from the book and doesn't know how films are made or what film constraints are; people who haven't read the book but misunderstand the film and/or try to reduce it to good vs bad guys trope; and then a few people who actually enjoy discussing it as an adaptation.
I've said it before, but I like Lynch's Dune. The movie is so weird I have to love it. It's David Lynch's attempt at epic science fiction, and that's exactly how it comes off. I think art direction is incredible.

But there are definitely many flaws flaws. The pacing is off; and the movie rushes through the second half of the story. The movie is incomprehensible to anyone who has not read the book. The end is tonally off, as was discussed earlier. The idea of having characters recite lines from the book verbatim in whispery creepy narration is an odd one.

Regarding this version, I really liked Pugh as Irulan, although she seems different from the book. She should have a bigger role in part 3. Speculation on what that might be:

 

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"You know, I didn't think I was supposed to be doing this as a career. I started off as a singer and my mother said to me, 'Go across that street to that theater department, there's something for you there.' I thank my mother for doing that," Randolph said in her emotional acceptance speech. "For so long I've always wanted to be different. And now I realize, I just need to be myself. Thank you for seeing me."

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... and yeah, RDJr just got Best Supporting Actor as well.
 

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I need to watch Poor Things, if nothing else. It looks beautiful, and I love Yorgos's other films.
 

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I need to watch Poor Things, if nothing else. It looks beautiful, and I love Yorgos's other films.
Emma Stone just won the Best Actress award.

I'm torn, I saw it yesterday and Stone was really great. She and Gladstone just are very different kinds of actresses, so the performances are hard to compare; they both exceled in their roles.

I don't really feel bad that Stone won, I just feel bad that Gladstone did not win -- if that makes any sense. I would feel bad for Stone if she hadn't won even while being happy for Gladstone.

I think Oppenheimer is going to win Best Picture. Nolan already got Best Director... oh there it is. Yeah.

Which is weird. I didn't really feel much at all watching it. I'll probably watch it again because it's a Nolan film and maybe I'll see something different, but... I'm kinda eh.
 

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Emma Stone just won the Best Actress award.

I'm torn, I saw it yesterday and Stone was really great. She and Gladstone just are very different kinds of actresses, so the performances are hard to compare; they both exceled in their roles.

I don't really feel bad that Stone won, I just feel bad that Gladstone did not win -- if that makes any sense. I would feel bad for Stone if she hadn't won even while being happy for Gladstone.

I think Oppenheimer is going to win Best Picture. Nolan already got Best Director... oh there it is. Yeah.

Which is weird. I didn't really feel much at all watching it. I'll probably watch it again because it's a Nolan film and maybe I'll see something different, but... I'm kinda eh.
I haven't seen Killers of the Flower Moon yet; I didn't see most of the movies I wanted to see this year. I think my list will have KOTF after Poor Things, and then The Holdovers after that, then American Fiction, and finally Wonka, which I've decided to give a shot based on the reviews.

I can't comment on Best Actress, but I felt Cillian Murphy earned it for Best Actor (as much as I can make a judgment without having seen any other movie except Barbie). I felt like complicated things were going on under the surface, and that I could see it. Then there's the haunting look he gives the camera during the final scene, after confessing that "Teller was right" and the final puzzle piece of his visions falls into place. I did like Oppenheimer quite a bit, sadly, it has more relevance now than it might have had five years ago. The movie raised interesting issues about science and technology and the role they play in society. I found that it was fascinating and haunting.

It was also interesting to hear Murphy's normal speaking voice. I've seen him in many films, but I've never heard that before.
 
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Interesting. I really like Murphy and I was watching him before he got famous. But I didn't really experience anything watching him in Oppenheimer. I feel like I don't understand or know anything more about Oppenheimer after 3 hours of film. The only performances I felt anything for were for RDJr and the five minutes Emily Blunt actually got to do something. Even Florence Pugh was one note / just seemed cliche to me.

I really don't get why this type of film (typically ignored by the general audience -- two years ago they voted for CODA, for God's sake!) suddenly captured everyone's attention.

Yeah, I don't recall hearing him speak in his normal Irish tone before. I think it was nice for five past winners to introduce the five nominees. What an honor.
 
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Interesting. I really like Murphy and I was watching him before he got famous. But I didn't really experience anything watching him in Oppenheimer. I feel like I don't understand or know anything more about Oppenheimer after 3 hours of film. The only performances I felt anything for were for RDJr and the five minutes Emily Blunt actually got to do something. Even Florence Pugh was one note / just seemed cliche to me.
Maybe I'm reading things into it that aren't there, but I was attracted to this story of people (Oppenheimer and his team) so immersed in their work that they've developed tunnel vision about how it might be used. Even today many people are working on things that are put to morally dubious use, because that's where the jobs are. I'm not sure how to judge them morally, but there's something very tragic about it. The human capability for exploration, curiosity, and discovery is a positive trait, but it is usually not channeled toward the best ends.
 

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Poor Things is a very strange movie. The strangest thing about it is that it's a movie made in 2023 that seems to be suggesting humans are improvable. It's an arthouse movie, to boot.

 
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Interesting stuff.

What non-actor was cast in an acting role and did an amazing job?

Jason Lee in Mallrats.

Lee was a professional skateboarder, not an actor, but in 1995, at 25, he wanted to retire from skating and try something new. Casting director Don Phillips brought him in to audition for Kevin Smith, and Lee won the role of slacker manchild Brodie Bruce in Smith's sophomore effort.

In the film, Brodie was the best friend of T.S. Quint, who was played by established actor Jeremy London, but Lee acted circles around London, and pretty much stole the whole movie. Brodie is obnoxious as fuck, but Lee is so charming and funny that the audience loves him anyway. (This is reflected in the film, where Brodie is ultimately offered his own late-night talk show.)

His performance in Mallrats kicked off a very successful acting career. To date, he has over 70 credits on his filmography, including memorable roles in the films Chasing Amy, Dogma, Almost Famous, Enemy of the State, and Vanilla Sky, and his Golden Globe and SAG Award nominated role as the title character in the sitcom My Name is Earl.

Kevin Smith told the story of Lee's casting in a 2020 interview with Entertainment Weekly:

Our casting director was the great Don Phillips. Don was famous in town for casting Fast Times at Ridgemont High. He had discovered Sean Penn. For us, he discovered Jason Lee. Jason Lee was a professional skateboarder who had never really acted before. So, Don Phillips goes, "I got a kid coming in today, and he’s never acted before, and he’s a professional skateboarder." I didn’t know much about the skate game. He comes in and he's green as hell. He's never really acted. We’re making chit-chat and I was like, "So I understand you’re a skateboarder." And he’s like, "Well, I just retired." And he looked like he was f---ing 23. So, I’m like, "You retired?" He goes, "I’ve been skating at a professional level for ten years, yeah. I want to put it aside now and I want to concentrate on a different discipline."

He was so well-organized. I loved his delivery. It was so not-polished and so real and rough and funny. All the guys came in to read for TS (the role ultimately played by Jeremy London), all the girls that came in read for Brandi (who would be played by Claire Forlani). So, when Jason was done with his audition, Don Phillips was like, "Do you want him to come back?" And me and Scott Mosier (Smith's regular producer) were like, "Well, he's a really good guy, I don’t think he’s right for the part, but bring him back, because he’s fun to talk to." We kept bringing him back because we didn’t know anybody in Los Angeles and we just thought he was a nice guy. Eventually, he wound up being better than everybody else. I said, "Listen, I think we’ve figured it out, we want you to play Brodie." And I’ll never forget, he was eating, and he looks up for a brief second, and he goes, "Yeah?" and he goes right back to eating his sandwich, looking back down. Eating was more exciting than being cast in his very first movie at that moment in time. But he came out and absolutely crushed, man, and he was a delight.
 

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The movie Oppenheimer is a fascinating dive into the complex story of the creation of the atomic bomb and the personal experiences of its key figure, J. Robert Oppenheimer. What struck me most was how sensitively the movie explored Oppenheimer's relationships and sexuality free porn , adding layers to his character beyond his scientific brilliance. Christopher Nolan's direction made these aspects feel raw and real, reminding us of the humanity behind historical figures. It was a thought-provoking blend of intelligence and emotion that left a lasting impression. But the feeling after watching it, I experienced a negative feeling, as if one man could just ruin the entire planet and everything people build every day.
 
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So I watched Aliens 4K on my huge 4K TV + soundstick last night.

It's interesting that the current trifecta of Cameron's releases (The Abyss, Aliens, and True Lies -- they all dropped this week, and Abyss and True Lies never had blu-ray releases so it's kind of a big deal) are causing some heated debate within the home cinemaphile community, resulting in mixed reviews. The issue is basically film grain.

Cameron has chosen to heavily upgrade these films in terms of detail at the expensive of film grain -- which is the natural amount of noise that exists in traditionally shot film and photographs. This chaos/grain tends to provide more of a sense of naturalism and historicity to the image. What Cameron did basically makes these 30-40 year old films look more like digital film footage than their old presentations.

So this is more a debate over sensibilities, expectations, and preferences. Those who prefer the natural grain pattern dislike the new release; those who find other things to admire or other criteria think it's a pretty decent release. One review suggested if one dislikes the 4K version, then watch the 1080 blu-ray disc instead, which by removing some of the detail clarity might provide a more natural-looking image.

I'd see the older Aliens print just last year on my TV, and I also had watched this film quite a number of times on DVD and old Blu-Ray. The transfer was not the greatest, the image often felt murky and heavily blue (to me). I'm kind of amazed at how distinct both the audio and the visual are in this 4K release, it's like a film where all the grime was sandblasted away. It's almost like watching a new film. The detail is so crisp that you can see pores on people's face and areas formerly lost in shadow actually provide crisp detail or the ability to discern things in the background. The audio is similar, even if less pronounced; you can hear background conversation and comments that you might not have even realized were previously in the film.

Of course, the footage of the com footage still looks grainy and old, and the image of Ripley's daughter Amy is still heavily pixelated since Burke probably grabbed a low-rez photo and blew it way up to a printed page size. (Leave it to Burke, he's even half-assed with using a color printer.)

You can watch the theatrical release or the 1990 Special Release. The Special Release is my preferred version, aside from the one sequence I hate which is the inserted Hadley Hope bit. While it is a bit informative in establishing a pre-incident Newt and her family, and the dialogue is fine, I think it is superfluous and ruins the tone of "ghost ship / abandoned facility" when the military checks things out. It's kind of like if we had 10 minutes of footage of the Roanoke community in VA as they packed their bags to leave town, removing the enduring mystery of what likely happened. Here, I think it's a lot more effective as a thriller/horror to know the community has gone silent and to not know whether it's a false alarm or what exactly happened, although our imaginations are running wild. it makes the moment when things go to hell under the nuclear power generator even more effective.

I think the other inserts of the SE into the film are just fine.

I'm still kind of blown away by the character work done here by the actors to do a lot with a little (script-wise), and also the quiet moments of the film including the scene where Ripley puts Newt to bed and she and Hicks also have an occasional moment together.

In any case, it's a really nice release in terms of clarity and detail of image and sound, at a bit of expense of a natural film grain. Considering the state of the early transfers (which generally were bad), it's not unwelcome on some level. Wondering how The Abyss will look -- it is arriving late, this weekend.
 

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Emma Stone just won the Best Actress award.

I'm torn, I saw it yesterday and Stone was really great. She and Gladstone just are very different kinds of actresses, so the performances are hard to compare; they both exceled in their roles.

I don't really feel bad that Stone won, I just feel bad that Gladstone did not win -- if that makes any sense. I would feel bad for Stone if she hadn't won even while being happy for Gladstone.

I think Oppenheimer is going to win Best Picture. Nolan already got Best Director... oh there it is. Yeah.

Which is weird. I didn't really feel much at all watching it. I'll probably watch it again because it's a Nolan film and maybe I'll see something different, but... I'm kinda eh.
I don't think I've been this eh about Oscar noms/winners in a long time. Not that the ones I've seen were bad or anything, I'm just having trouble coming up with much enthusiasm. I think it's partially Oppenheimer, which just feels like a depressing, deeply sad telling of this story - not to mention what actually happened to Oppenheimer after the war. I also think I'm partially down due to world events and have been for a little while.
 

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I don't think I've been this eh about Oscar noms/winners in a long time. Not that the ones I've seen were bad or anything, I'm just having trouble coming up with much enthusiasm. I think it's partially Oppenheimer, which just feels like a depressing, deeply sad telling of this story - not to mention what actually happened to Oppenheimer after the war. I also think I'm partially down due to world events and have been for a little while.
I felt like many were "solid" films at least (as opposed to some other years when notably subpar films won major awards), but... yeah. None of them really set a fire under me. I still don't grasp why so many people were actually enthusiastic about Oppenheimer, which is kind of a flat and dour film and didn't really seem to reveal much more about any character aside from Lewis Strauss, who I found interesting enough to read more about after I got home from the theater.

Actually, I'll say I was actually enthusiastic about one film: "Across the Spider-Verse." I can't diss its loss to "The Boy and the Heron" (which I haven't seen but I presume is a good film due to its creator's track record), but ASV just blew me away from a story-telling perspective, visual animation style, and sheer emotion starting from its very opening moment. It manages to have two leads, in effect, and comes full circle at the end to revisit its opening moments, thematically. It was so well-crafted, so much better than it needed to be, felt real and raw, and incorporated creatively so much of the Spiderman world continuity.

Emotionally, I resonated with Sandra Huller's performance on the tape recording in "Anatomy of the Fall" and then her ride in the car; and I really liked the emotions that "Past Lives" dredged up in me. But it was just kind of a flat year overall despite some solid films.

Between work (too much work, not enough resources, for months now) and the stress of watching the world fall apart, it's hard to be enthused about much.
 
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